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gozzer, worms,

 

I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully. You misunderestimate my carp fishing friends and me. We are a powerful force not to be messed with. As our enemas you are innovative and resourceful, but carp anglers are resouceful enemas also. You guys never stop thinking about new ways to harm our carp and restrict my fellow anglers, be warned - neither do we. Fight! fight!

 

On topic. Do you ever use clouding agents? In all my experience with limnology I've never seen a "breeze" affect/effect the actual current throughout the lake. Sure the stuff floating on top moves over the waves and in the immediate margins the bottom is affected but VERY little at the thermocline. Who made that "circular flow" stuff up? I like to fish facing the wind because I can only cast 20 - 25 yards. I mean most freshwater is not like ocean fishing, even over here.

 

Also, I might add FWIW, it is my observation (now that I'm old) that "catching fish" has very little to do with knowing the science of how and more importantly why. Is it like - - in the UK a swimming coach must also be a world record holder in the butterfly. Great fishermen use great technique and confidence but rarely is it original. It is learned. I could be wrong.

 

Phone

Edit: Just occured to me. Circular flow would work in small shallow ponds. Again, I could be wrong. Still, I'd like to see what a balanced clouding agent "said".

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Pah we will wait until your all nicely tucked up in your bivvy and strike ! :o:rolleyes::ph34r:

On a serious note. NESQWIK <sp> is a very good clouding agent, probs not the type your talking about, LoL

Well worth a go, even in home made b b b b boillies

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Good morning Mr Phone, (well it is here). I'm surprised that we use similar language when talking about carp, your mention of enemas, (and the result of using one), just about sums it up. :P

 

As for undertow, you have to remember we are talking about relatively small waters over here, (compared to the 'little pond' of yours that you mentioned earlier). The surface layer of the lake, moves in the direction the wind blows. Obviously it can't keep building up at that side of the lake, so it flows back, either along the bank, or as under tow, or both. I have often put large shot near my hook, and trotted a float against the wind, the undertow acting on the shot, and pulling it along. In a water that has many features such as islands, or a very uneven bottom, (oops, we nearly got on to enemas again), then the undertow can form back eddys and sudden changes of direction, (up, down and to either side). This can play havoc with with baiting, and your bait can end up in a different place than intended. This can also effect the fish, as in a river, with varying flows attracting different species. I have found that roach and tench, in particular, don't seem to mind a strong undertow, but I've found other species vary in their preference. All of this depends of course, on the strength of wind, how long it's been blowing, the shape/contours of the lake, and the undulations of the lake bed.

I've missed out temperature, because effects of this can vary according to season and wind direction.

 

I'm sure I've missed something else out, but no doubt someone else will think of it and add it.

 

John.

Angling is more than just catching fish, if it wasn't it would just be called 'catching'......... John

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I do have a problem with matchmen and match type tactics at the moment and for anglers such as yourself and others like us we need to think a little outside the normal box to get what we want.

 

I for years thought matchmen were the best. What a mistake.

 

Matchmen are good at match angling, specimen anglers good at catching big fish and some anglers even go to enjoy themselves.

I am have had enough of different types of anglers having a moan, slagging each other off etc on the bank, on the net, in the press and in tackle shops.

Its not just coarse angling, the sea anglers are also at it having arguments about this that and the other. Then come the personal insults as seen already on this post - I personally in the past have attracted this type of attention, sometimes by my own fault, sometimes not - both at club level (committe member, baliff and match sec) and in the public eye on the internet.

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Different floats for different folks!

 

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Matchmen are good at match angling, specimen anglers good at catching big fish and some anglers even go to enjoy themselves.

I am have had enough of different types of anglers having a moan, slagging each other off etc on the bank, on the net, in the press and in tackle shops.

Its not just coarse angling, the sea anglers are also at it having arguments about this that and the other. Then come the personal insults as seen already on this post - I personally in the past have attracted this type of attention, sometimes by my own fault, sometimes not - both at club level (committe member, baliff and match sec) and in the public eye on the internet.

 

 

So taking my quote from the middle of a reply about 2 different approaches to bream fishing which is not actually derogatory at all is not having a dig then.

 

This thread had almost got back on to its original question so why add fuel to a cooling off argument.

 

However I do agree that there is too much disagreement between anglers. Forming a united front against the anti angling brigade is a hopeless task.

 

John

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I can assure you my retorts are firmly tongue in cheek. :P

 

Will the angling world be united, ? i dont think so, do you ! :(

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gozzer, worms,

 

You guys never stop thinking about new ways to harm our carp and restrict my fellow anglers,

Unfortunately Phone you're a bit shy of some of the information that affects we non crap anglers (was that an enema joke?). Last year, anglers who like to fish rivers and lakes for native species ('natural' waters if you like) were subjected to vicious restrictions on our angling. We've been banned from taking the odd fish to eat, we've been forced to practice compulsory catch and release fishing for all but a handful of species. Ridiculous (harmful to fishery health) bag and slot limits have been imposed on one species (grayling) that most muddy pool carp anglers have probably never seen.

 

Why? Well the results of a biased consultation that was targeted at and supported by artificial fishery users and specialist groups (yes, carp anglers) was then imposed on us all...even with huge national bodies (who only had one 'vote' per organisation) arguing against the restrictions...bodies that have been involved in fisheries management for over 100 years and with 100,000 members in the case of the S&TA!

 

Some of the more ridiculous exclusions in favour of carp (a non-native fish here as it is in the USA) were that any alien/non-native fish could be removed from waters and destroyed....as long as it wasn't a carp. This is now building to a cull all native predators argument because the crap fisheries that have been illegally dug and stocked on floodplains and near natural waterways are being used as convenient larders...they keep stocking them, the muppets,...without fencing them....you couldn't make it up!

 

On top of that, every time it rains....a frequent occurrence in the UK....these floodplain ponds are releasing their venomous filth into our rivers!

 

Harm carp? well, yes if I find them in the rivers I fish. Restricting carp anglers? No, sorry mate, you've got it all arse about face....reason for enema jokes perhaps?

 

Sorry :offtopic: but an important subject in my opinion!

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Eating wild caught fish is good for my health, reduces food miles and keeps me fit trying to catch them........it's my choice to do it, not yours to stop me!

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So taking my quote from the middle of a reply about 2 different approaches to bream fishing which is not actually derogatory at all is not having a dig then.

 

This thread had almost got back on to its original question so why add fuel to a cooling off argument.

 

However I do agree that there is too much disagreement between anglers. Forming a united front against the anti angling brigade is a hopeless task.

 

John

Not having a pop, I just dont understand your attitude towards match anglers - yes there are loads of them who are complete tossers but also plenty that are not.

Over the years I have taken my knowledge/experiance gained from both match and speci angling - combined them and do very well at both disiplines.

RUDD

 

Different floats for different folks!

 

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- yes there are loads of them who are complete tossers

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I think I must be bumping into to many of these although I have to say 3 of my best angling friends are match anglers and also good thinking anglers much like you obviously are.

 

I seem to recall we have had this sort of posting between you and I before on much the same lines.

 

I could give you lots of recent examples of why I made that remark but its pointless as I do not want to stir up a debate that would do no good for anyone.

 

Lets leave it at that and do our bit for unity.

 

John

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John,

 

You say, "However I do agree that there is too much disagreement between anglers". Since the 1940's I've pondered exactly what is "just the right amount of disagreement between anglers. I've noticed, around the world, but in the UK especially you are a competitave lot. You don't like that? I love it. Sports Angling is a competition with limited rules. I like that too. Always room for a little bankside banter IMO.

 

gozzer, worms,

 

Just a spelling error enemy - that's what I meant, enemies.

 

Phone

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