bream spod mix

[Steve Walker]

Mostly, the existence of purpose made carp puddles doesn't directly impact my fishing. I simply don't fish in them. I lose out when a traditional water is converted, but I have the advantage of not living where I grew up, so although I know it has happened to some waters I used to love, I am not directly affected. Most of the rivers I fish now have some carp in them, but they're still a relatively rare capture in the lengths I fish, and I don't think the populations will sustain themselves at high densities if the escapes from puddles stop.

 

There are things that do worry me, however. The commercial interests which run them publicly kicking off about otters casts angling in a poor light with the public. I think the combination of artificially high stocking densities and catch and release is ethically dubious, and while I am prepared to live and let live, I am surprised we aren't getting a kicking for it from the usual suspects.

 

Listen to this from 47 minutes in - it's from the comedy prom broadcast last weekend (and worth listening to the whole show).

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b01381wd

 

I liked it apart from the reference to lead - it's been banned for nearly 25 years now, and we are still associated in people's minds with poisoning swans.

 

(Same thing on YouTube)

 

Youtube Video ->

Edited August 19, 2011 by Steve Walker

[gozzer]

Funny but (unless I'm mistaken) it was made 22yrs ago Steve, just a couple of years after the ban.

 

I don't know what their following is now, but they are hardly in the same league as Flanders and Swan.

 

I do agree though, that there is a negative opinion of angling, by many of those who care enough to have an opinion. And angling itself does little to prove them wrong.

 

John.

[Andrew]

I don't know which part of the North East your from Andy, but you can't be that far from me. The Yorkshire Rivers nearly all contain carp now, and some catfish. A situation that's only happened fairly recently, so they must be escapees from these waters. You only have to look at the number of 'new fisheries' that have been created in E Yorkshire, (very flat area, prone to flooding), and the surrounding drains that lead to the R Hull etc. It's only a short swim to the Humber, then the Trent and Yorks Ouse, and their tributaries. Then you've those at the side of the Ouse itself, and the Aire, in particular.

 

As for anglers uniting, sorry but I don't think that it will ever happen. I've seen too many so called representative bodies come and go, each had it's separate agenda, and sadly I don't see the Angling Trust being any different. We agree on the influence of commercial influences on angling, and I believe that it is a major part of the problem.

 

John.

 

We can but dream John.

 

On a stretch of the trent in my club, there are some reputed large carp to double figures, maybe an invasive species, or an introduced species !! by a silly angler who might think its great to have them present in a place that is predomintly a bream, chub and barbel area. Oh not forgetting the mighty silvers,

[Steve Walker]

Funny but (unless I'm mistaken) it was made 22yrs ago Steve, just a couple of years after the ban.

 

Thing is, John, they performed it live at the Proms last Saturday night, to a full Albert Hall and god only knows how many of us were listening on Radio 3. It would be churlish to expect them to drop or change the song, just because it unfairly slanders us, but the point is that message "anglers use weight which poison swans" is still out there in popular culture all these years after we stopped using lead.

 

What I'm saying is that mud sticks, and if Wilson gets it thrown at him for wanting to cull otters, or the people fishing stew ponds get it thrown at them for their battery fishing, it will stick to all of us.

[gozzer]

Thing is, John, they performed it live at the Proms last Saturday night, to a full Albert Hall and god only knows how many of us were listening on Radio 3. It would be churlish to expect them to drop or change the song, just because it unfairly slanders us, but the point is that message "anglers use weight which poison swans" is still out there in popular culture all these years after we stopped using lead.

 

What I'm saying is that mud sticks, and if Wilson gets it thrown at him for wanting to cull otters, or the people fishing stew ponds get it thrown at them for their battery fishing, it will stick to all of us.

 

Sorry Steve, I didn't realise that it had been performed recently, I was just going by the date of the film.

 

I agree with everything you are saying, but I am at a lose as to what can be done about it. It would seem from my forum trawling that we are in a minority, and Anglersnet is one of the few places where these issues get a balanced airing. But it's a case of 'preaching to the converted' most of the time.

 

John.

[AddictedToScopex]

Something that is related to this post. I was in bed unable to sleep properly last night and an idea came to me. To combat the subsurface tow on a large lake rather than spod your bait out why not employ the use of a large bait dropper? That way you know for sure that your bait is getting down there. Even if is drifts a little it has to be better than it drifting 20 yards and then you can simply cast your hookbait onto where you were letting the dropper land. Seems like a decent idea to me and one that is worth giving a go.

[Tigger]

Something that is related to this post. I was in bed unable to sleep properly last night and an idea came to me. To combat the subsurface tow on a large lake rather than spod your bait out why not employ the use of a large bait dropper? That way you know for sure that your bait is getting down there. Even if is drifts a little it has to be better than it drifting 20 yards and then you can simply cast your hookbait onto where you were letting the dropper land. Seems like a decent idea to me and one that is worth giving a go.

 

 

 

Bait droppers are no good for any distance.

[AddictedToScopex]

Bait droppers are no good for any distance.

 

Maybe a new design would be with this in mind I am taking calls from korda as we speak

[Dales]

Maybe a new design would be with this in mind I am taking calls from korda as we speak

 

A long distance baitdropper/spod type thing that opened on the lake bed would be a winner

 

Some sort of spomb type thing that would not open when it hit the water but would stay closed until it hit the lake bed, but then would it not just give the same effect as catapuling out heavysticky groundbait balls

[AddictedToScopex]

A long distance baitdropper/spod type thing that opened on the lake bed would be a winner

 

Some sort of spomb type thing that would not open when it hit the water but would stay closed until it hit the lake bed, but then would it not just give the same effect as catapuling out heavysticky groundbait balls

Maybe adding a springload mechanism to the dropper would work. As it hits the lake bed it works in the same way as a conventional dropper but then as the latch opens the front there can be a spring inside that will eject the bait causing it to spread a little more. It would be an incredibly accurate way to feed somewhere like wingham for example and mean the fish will be exactly where you want/expect them to be.