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Specialist Angling Unity


Guest STEVE POPE

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Guest Alan Pearce

Paul Williams reply is spot on and he rightly observes the problems sometimes caused by individual ego's. This is something that the SACG never suffered from, nor will the SAA in the future.

 

Graham E is partly correct in what he says about the Barbal Society, unfortunatly though their views only reflect those of some of their members and not coarse fishing as a whole. And that is what they are constituted to do, look after their 1,000 or so, members interests. Why Steve as their Chairman feels the need to concern both himself and the group with the politics of others defies logic. If it was for the concern of specialist angling overall and not just their own niche, then they should become involved. I have never heard any concern from the larger groups as to what the BS is up to, but here again the BS through Steve, concerns itself with the business of others.

 

And how many times have you told me and others Steve, that you get peed off by the internet angling forums and vow not to post again? Maybe its just like a drug that you can't leave alone, or the compulsive urge to see your name in print.

 

Steve I think you are up to your old trick of clouding the pond, why not be positive and get involved with the bigger picture, as we have discussed before and show true leadership.

 

Respectfully

Alan.

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Guest trent.barbeler

Steve,

What has been happening within the Carp Society and the PAC is irrelevant to the future success of the SAA. Fortunately, both of these large single species groups have an undying ability to see the bigger picture. Both the PAC and the Carp Society are passionate about angling unity, as are all the single species groups and individual members within SACG. The most striking aspect within SACG is the remarkable harmony between all of its members irrespective of their differing angling persuasions. Another striking and admirable aspect of the two groups you have chosen to single out is the fact that after all of their internal problems over the years, they have both always emerged a lot stronger and more determined to carry on with their good work. Added to that, both groups have some really good, caring anglers steering their ships.

Of course, the reality of our world dominated by humans will always ensure that there will be times when we don’t all get along all of the time. Company take-overs, strikes, protest marches, the list is historically endless and of course none of this is limited to angling groups or any other group for that matter. When human beings get together for any intended purpose, as sure as eggs are eggs, trouble is never far away. The old saying, “you cant please all of the people all of the time” springs to mind. The most important aspect of internal disputes is how they are dealt with. The PAC and the Carp Society are no strangers to such disputes but no one could doubt their enviable track record in resolving them. Caring anglers are always capable of seeing the bigger picture and the big picture is more important that any of our individual opinions. Make no mistake, no matter what the problem; carp and pike anglers through their organisations will ALWAYS care about angling unity. That is the reason that they were in SACG and the reason why they will be active within SAA to.

You Steve have been remarkably lucky. Apart from a cliché or two, the BS have remained unfettered by damaging internal disputes. Long may that continue but once again, as sure as eggs are eggs, your turn will come.

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Guest big al

steve can i ask a direct question? do you want SAA to work?.whilst i understand where you are coming from (i think),don't you think it will better to give it a go.sometime ago when we heard this was going to go ahead ,some of us agreed to give it time to get started without constant sniping,i hope most of us still feel the same.

so do you want it to work? cheers big al

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Guest Keith Truscott

steve as a member of the BS and hold dear it's values I think you answered your own question just by asking it.

 

what you were looking for was unity amongst the specialist angler groups, rather than anglers as a whole.

 

This is not and never will be possible untill all angling has to come under one umberella. Lets look at the reasons. For years now all the specialist groups have been via'n for control as have the personalities that run them.

 

I won't go in to the reasons why but I think we can all draw our own conclusions why this happens.

 

You can form all the bodies you like and call them what you want, but untill you all realise that you only need one body with sub committees for the specialist groups then you will get no where. Untill we as a body of people can get our act together and fight united in what we believe in then we will go on destroying ourselves.

 

Can anybody really justify to me why we need all these different sections that the majority of anglers don't even know what they mean just to represent us. When all we see is internal rangling and jockying for power.

 

All angling needs is one voice that represents all branches of the sport, with as I all ready said different sub committees looking after the interests of the single species groups.

 

My ideas for ANAC were only based on this and the way internal politics will eventually self destruct.

 

When are we going to wake up and realise that instead of fighting each other we are all really on the same wave length, but generating to much energy in fighting amongst ouselves.

 

Greed, power and self rightesnous is a terrible enemy.

 

Sorry Steve this is not aimed at you as the only reason I joined the BS, apart from the fact the fact that I luv Barbel and agree with the BS pricipals, but I do get **** off with some of the pontificating that goes on amongst people that we respect to look after us as a body of anglers that just enjoy fishing and are supposed to represent us.

 

Keith

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Guest Peter Waller
Originally posted by Alan Pearce:

Paul Williams reply is spot on and he rightly observes the problems sometimes caused by individual ego's. This is something that the SACG never suffered from,

Respectfully

Alan.

That last sentence Alan, that is open to debate, it really is! However, that is in the past, we must look to the future.

My worry is that unity will be hard. I speak as one who is a keen member of the PAC and a supporter of the right to livebait. What will the PAC do if every other member group of the SAA decides to oppose that right? I'm sure other member groups have similar situations. It is only to be expected that single species groups will try and achieve what they feel is best for their members. To think otherwise is living in cloud cuckoo-land. In an ideal world a majority view will rule. Those who loose the debate will support those who win, gracefully.

 

 

[This message has been edited by Peter Waller (edited 12 March 2001).]

 

[This message has been edited by Peter Waller (edited 12 March 2001).]

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Guest Alan Pearce

Keith that is exactly what is happening right now with the National Angling Alliance. Coarse, game and sea anglers all starting to work together for the benefit of the sport. Input from all the groups, alliances, clubs, societies and associations filtering through to the NAA. Along the way each representing their cause whilst contributing to the common good.

 

The SAA is being formed as part of this process, representing the needs of the specialist angler and specialist angling groups. Unfortunatly at present the Barbel Society appears not to want to play ball with the rest of specialist angling, prefering instead its own agenda, whatever that maybe. This I feel is a great shame, but perhaps the members can address this with their own committee with a veiw to joining in with everyone else, rather than working in isolation. Just a thought.

 

Alan.

PS. Peter the SACG and NASA (now SAA)fully supports the anglers right to livebait, this has never been an issue and unless the member groups change there minds, never will.

 

[This message has been edited by Alan Pearce (edited 12 March 2001).]

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Guest Graham E

I very very rarely get personal on this inpersonal medium ('cept sometimes to a lunar individual!)But Alan, please try to harmonise more rather than challenge. I was in the process of typing this when your last posting appeared....It hints at Anarchy, and does not serve you or your intentions well.

A person with a possibilty of power within a representative group, should always try to heal rather than damage. This is NOT meant in a nasty way.

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Guest Alan Pearce

Point taken and thank you Graham, but I've been trying to heal and bring together for quite a few years now, and believe we are almost there.

 

Alan.

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Guest Peter Waller

PS. Peter the SACG and NASA (now SAA)fully supports the anglers right to livebait, this has never been an issue and unless the member groups change there minds, never will.

[This message has been edited by Alan Pearce (edited 12 March 2001).][/b]

 

Alan, I have no doubt that, at the moment, that the SAA fully support the PAC over livebaiting. But what if that support is withdrawn? What should the PAC do, let its members down by gracefully accepting defeat? It may never happen but, equelly, it could. My previous posting was, I thought, clearly a hypothetical question.

 

 

[This message has been edited by Peter Waller (edited 12 March 2001).]

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Guest Alan Pearce

Yeah Pete, and the sun may never shine again.

 

There are many things that could happen in life, we could all be killed on Friday by an atomic bomb, or fall in and drown the next time we go fishing.

 

The only person I have heard who has ever suggested anything about giving up live baiting was Steve Pope of the Barbel Society, a few weeks ago on the forum of another web site. And as it seems at the moment he doesn't want to play with the rest of specialist angling, then there is no danger of him trying to pursued others on this subject. Rest assured live baiting is safe, hey why not join and see for yourself and if you come to a meeting I promise you wont have to sit next to Nev.

 

Alan.

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