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Guest dexter

I think, personally he's entitled to say wha-ever he wants to say.

 

No matter what, the people who are anti's are going to wheel people out who say that fishing causes pain or "discomfort" or how ever you want to wrap it up. While the angling community, of which I am proud to be, will say its not cruel.

 

Personally I don't think angling is cruel or I wouldn't do it. But do I think that fish don't get (at least) discomfort, do me favour. I behave a responsibly as I can when handling fish. Don't bother weighing them, don't take pictures don't own a keep net. The biggest joy I get from fishing is seeing a superb specimen swimming away strongly in the environment it belongs.

 

Look I'm starting to ramble here but basically Sacha is entitled to say whatever he feels, I know I will. This is a forum to discuss matters angling of which this truly is. One suggestions was to stike the comment from the record, really?? The day that happens is the day I never return to this forum.

 

I will defend my right to fish and my right to free speech.

 

Regards

D

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Guest Peter Waller

Free speach is one thing, foot well and truly in mouth can, if it is actually detrimental to angling, be another. Shaca has a right of free speech, he also has the ability to think before he submits a posting. That said, when we feel that we can't post our opinions for fear of the antis then that is a very sad day for open forums. It is also a sad day when an angler feels he would rather go fishing without his loved ones for company.

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Guest Steve Randles
Originally posted by shaca:

Isn't it?

 

We go to the bank hoping the wife doesn't want to come, we are happy to inflict pain on the fish to get them on the bank (no matter how nice we are to them - they WILL suffer to a degree even if its just getting annoyed at being pulled away from the maggot freebies) for our enjoyment and we hate it if some schmuck has taken our favourite swim. We keep the fish out longer than absolutely necessary so that we get a photo. We don't want our chosen specialism to get too popular (barbus catcher beware) and we can't wait to get the photo's back to show our mates.

 

Its always ME Me Me!!!

 

And yet we love to:

SHARE our experiences (its not gloating is it?)

Share our knowledge (we all like to force them on our kids and other fisherman - the RIGHT way to fish)

Share our stories (boast about the one that got away)

etc

 

and its not at all for the worship of our fellow anglers that we talk about the BIGGEST fish we caught or the LONGEST fight. Honest!

 

But, come to think about it...sod you lot, I'm going fishing!   rolleyes.gif   biggrin.gif

 

Shaca

 

 

Why not sell your tackle in the auctions on this site, you obviously dont require it.. Could I suggest a non-painful sport for you? Like bowls or something?

 

And where do you get all this "Me me me" stuff from?...Come along to a Angles Net fish-in, where the emphasis is all "You you you"

 

You never know, you may just enjoy angling..But then again...

 

 

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Tight Lines,Steve Randles

 

Anglers Rest

mailto:Anglersrest@go-fishing.co.ukAnglersrest@go-fishing.co.uk

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Guest Keith
Originally posted by dexter:

I think, personally he's entitled to say whatever he wants to say.D

 

Dexter,

 

this is nowt to do with freedom of speech.

 

And everything to do with acting responsibly.

 

A strong argument can be made that - whether intentionally or not - Shaca's posting was irresponsible, especially given the forum in which he chose to post it.

 

And if freedom of speech is an "absolute right", then those posters on this thread who have criticised Shaca (quite mildly, I would point out), are just exercising their right to free speech too.

 

 

 

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Yours,

 

Keith

Blyth,

Northumberland

 

mailto:keith@go-fishing.co.ukkeith@go-fishing.co.uk

http://www.wacac.co.uk

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Originally posted by dexter:

I will defend my right to fish and my right to free speech.

 

"Free Speech" is NOT an absolute, wide-open priv. in any country that I am familiar with.

 

Libel, slander, yelling "fire" in a theater, are examples of "speech" that can get you in deep trouble.

 

The original post's mention of "pain" does not fall into any of the "prohibited" categories but certainly is unfounded and out of place here.

 

I've never seen any sort of reputable study showing any "proof" that fish feel pain as humans think of it. I've read of and seen things to indicate that they do not like being confined or having their movement restricted but even that stress is transient with no long-term effect.

 

I find it almost impossible to believe that a fish with a hook in it's mouth would run against line pressure long and hard if the hook was causing "pain".

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Guest dexter

Point accepted.

 

Maybe I'm just old fashioned. Came back to fishing last year and how things have changed.

 

Went fishing on the Severn at Atcham over the weekend. Had a cracking day. Fished only with maggot and castor caught around 20 chub a big perch two gorgeous barbel (biggest around 7). A guy came to my peg as I was packing up. We started chatting and asked me how I'd done. I told him, he enquired on what bait. When I told him he just looked at me with a strange look. "Barbel on maggot"?

He was incredulous. They'd ignored his boilies for 16 Hours and had the nerve to accept some of my maggots.

 

I sometimes wonder where its all going.

 

D

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Stress may have been a better term. I feel sorry for you as you are the one with the problem.

 

I was going to say typical man, but I won't for the simple reason that I have met and corresponded with a lot of caring male anglers on this site and other sites. I am really glad that not all anglers have the same, self oppinionated views of themselves as you do.

 

I expect your wife is glad you go fishing to get you out of the house, I know if I was in her place then I would be!

 

lyn

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Guest trent.barbeler

Newt,

 

What a cracking response.

 

"I find it almost impossible to believe that a fish with a hook in it's mouth would run against line pressure long and hard if the hook was causing "pain".

 

Very hard to argue against that point.

Some more relevant points Shaca.

 

Me,Me,Me?

This is one place where not a lot of that exists and is, in my opinion, a true reflection on the majority of anglers attitudes today.

 

Dont want our chosen specialism to get to popular (barbus catcher beware)?

 

Well, you must have missed some of my bits Shaca.

 

Not take the wife to the bank?

 

Well I read that to mean the building on the high street that offers us all cheap loans then sniggers all the way back into the vault when they manage to con us into signing on the dotted line.

 

If it was then you have my vote. Visits to that kind of bank in the company of her indoors usually involves a sherpa type walk through endless shoe and clothes shops where we always seem to end up in the shop where we started.

 

Still wearing the tin helmet Shaca?

I thought some humour would be welcome as the bombs rain down.

 

Truth is melado, the "pain" word in angling is a big no,no.

NEVER,EVER, has it been scientifically proved that fish feel pain.

 

The "discomfort" idea is also very hard to prove. Although you may not be aware, scientific tests have been carried out that prove that fish do not suffer as a consequence of being kept in keepnets and if the NFA guide lines are followed, do not suffer when released from them either.

 

Keep the tin hat on though Shaca. More to come I fear until the ammo runs out.

 

As for me, I forgive you lad. All of us are allowed at least one big gaff. Ive put my size ten in my mouth on more than one occasion. Probably still will.

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Guest Danny H

Shaka, my, my I can see what you were saying.

 

Fish may not feel pain but, and this is serious question, does anybody know about worms.

Boy do they wriggle when a hook goes in.

They go ballistic

 

And as for those poor old boilies

And what about people using tiger nuts, that surely hurts the tiger?

 

Thank god I only use artificials now.

 

all the best

 

 

Not stirring just asking.

 

[This message has been edited by Danny H (edited 19 June 2001).]

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Originally posted by Danny H:

And what about people using tiger nuts, that surely hurts the tiger?

 

Now I will go along with that. Although the Tiger's problem is likely when the things are removed rather than when we fish with them. smile.gif

 

Actually, they are a grass root nodule so one has to wonder how the grass feels about being killed so the nodules can be harvested.

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