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Originally posted by Elton:

What page is this on in the Times?

 

its just clicked sorry elton the angling times not the "times"

and its most of page 3

 

 

 

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Guest Paul Williams

Shrinktube,

You and i (Steve Pope to i would have thought!) all know that the BS aint in all probability going to get it.......the deed is already done, or at least it was untill those that approached the landowners with offers of ££££'s ( yes they where approached!!) made them realise they ( the owners) could get more.....rightly or wrongly it happened on Kickles but what do i know???....

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Originally posted by trent.barbeler:

The Farmer at Adams Mill actually doesn't own the fishing rights.

 

... in which case he would be well advised not to try to lease the right unless he can do so legally. This could get interesting!

 

In an open system where fish are free to move, most fish - including barbel - tend to respond to excessive pressure by moving, usually downstream. I understand that this has happened on the G.O. already.

 

Those with rights downstream of these stretches might care to calculate when the fish will be heading their way and take appropriate action.

 

 

 

 

 

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Originally posted by trent.barbeler:

The Farmer at Adams Mill actually doesn't own the fishing rights.

 

 

In the immortal words of Alexi Sayle, "That's that sketch knackered, then!"

 

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According to AT the rights are owned by The St Monica Trust and it's the trust that are offering the rights through agents Carter Jonas. Trusts are funny things. Depending how they're set up they could well be legally obliged to get the best price they can. Maybe previously they weren't aware, but now they couldn't really fail to know. If they are a charitable trust then like it or not you cannot criticise them for getting as much money as they can because that's what they are about.

As I said, trusts are funny things. My father as an official of a Charitable Trust that runs some Alms Houses in his town and the officials have to follow rules laid down in the 18th century when the money was first left in a will to start the trust. The rules written then are still legally binding, and getting them changed is almost impossible, or at least very expensve because everything has to be done by legal specialists and has to go through the Charity Commissioners, a body not renowned for its speed, common sense or understanding.

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The quote in At about the price is :

 

"The Barbel Society has already expressed an interest in gaining the rights, although the expected price - with experts predicting upwards of £10,000 for 5 years - could prove a stumbling block.'

So it sounds to me like they've plucked 10K from the air. As Trent has already said however, even with only 8 pegs on the length this sounds like a low figure against the potential income. I'd reckon it would be pretty easy to find 10 guys willing to stump up a grand a year somewhere in the country!

 

What price a Potter Bar club ticket now (they have the other bank)???

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The AM lease is open to tender and rumour has it the KF syndicate have already approached the owner but he/she has put out to tender.

 

I know I am a member of the BS but personally I would rather see them get than a small 'select' syndicate of 10 or so. If the BS win the tender then any BS member will be able to fish it. As it only has limited swims on the AM stretch then only limited numbers would be able to fish at one time & therefore extra management would be needed. (That's my opinion by the way!)

 

The BS has, as rightly been stated 'syndicate' stretches of rivers. With membership @ £15.50 per annum then the leases on these waters needs to be payed for somehow. The difference with the BS syndicate waters is that any of the 1000+ members can buy a permit for one & that it is not restricted to 10.

 

Shrinktube, I think the GO fish Steve refered to is any that are caught at KF as only a 'select' few can actually fish for them, unlike anywhere else where many anglers pleasure or specialists have the same chance as one another.

 

I have learn't since becoming involved with the BS that it dosen't matter what they do, it would be wrong in someones eyes.

 

You go for it Steve, a lot of your members already fish there & if you can save it for them then 'just do it'!!

 

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I realise this is a pie in the sky idea but I believe that the present club controlling the lease should be the only ones that put an offer in for the lease again and certainly not for any extortionate amount. If it is turned down then the Barbel at Adams Mill are consigned to angling history. This will send out the message that angling in general will not be held to ransom by greedy b*****d landowners.

Unfortunately there will always be glory hunters who will stump up cash to appear in the angling weeklies.

What worries me is where will the next Adam's Mill/Kickles Farm be, this could eventually happen to other stretches of river.

Something doesn't quite sit right with Kickle's Farm and now Adam's Mill, the landowners have suddenly decided after all this time that small syndicates are the way to go!!!! I don't think so.

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Originally posted by Wazzy:

I realise this is a pie in the sky idea but I believe that the present club controlling  the lease should be the only ones that put an offer in for the lease again and certainly not for any extortionate amount. If it is turned down then the Barbel at Adams Mill are consigned to angling history. This will send out the message that angling in general will not be held to ransom by greedy b*****d landowners.

Unfortunately there will always be glory hunters who will stump up cash to appear in the angling weeklies.

What worries me is where will the next Adam's Mill/Kickles Farm be, this could eventually happen to other stretches of river.

Something doesn't quite sit right with Kickle's Farm and now Adam's Mill, the landowners have suddenly decided after all this time that small syndicates are the way to go!!!! I don't think so.

 

 

Why shouldn't anglers pay the going rate for their sport just like everybody else does for theirs? If you want the best you have to pay for it - it's the way the world works. Why should a farmer sitting on an asset worth 5k a year sell it for 500 just so a 500 person club can get it for a quid each?? The fact that the owner has only just cottoned on to its true value is no reason why he should keep the price down - it just means that the club got it cheap in previous seasons.

Angling has no devine right to be a cheap sport. The fact it has been for many years was because people hadn't opened their eyes to the opportunities. Now people are aware we are seeing the consequences.

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