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I know the consensus is freshly killed Coarse deadbaits for Perch.

 

However the water in question does not allow Coarse fish dead or alive to be used as bait.

 

If I were to obtain a supply of unbelievably fresh Trout from a fish farm do you think these would be 'the next best thing'?

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Rob,

 

I'll WAG at this one. Trout in any form cannot be used as bait. Maybe the "no coarse fish" rules are local and the "no trout" regulation would be a higher authority? In America the Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) our national equalivant your EA forbids it.

 

The "next best thing" is probably forbidden also. (that's a question).

 

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I could be "all wet" because our terms are quite different. In the US "game fish" cannot be used for bait.

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Phone: FYI, in the UK, trout are very frequently used as deadbaits, primarily for pike in waters that are artificially stocked with trout, usually for the benefit of those who enjoy fly-fishing. On occasion, these waters are made accessible to pike anglers, and trout are the logical deadbait of choice.

 

With respect to using them for Perch, my first thought is that you need to get clarification that using them would be accepted on this water: they may not appreciate dead trout from another source being introduced to the water, even if that other source is a fishmongers slab! My secong thought is that (unless you know different?) any trout that you are likely to buy commercially are likely to be way too big for use as perch deadbaits ... but if this ain't the case, and the rulers say 'yes', then I'd go ahead and try it ... after all what have you to lose apart from a little time.

That said, under the circumstances, I think I'd be taking along the biggest lobs I could find as insurance, and maybe a few king prawns too! Or try sprats or similar maybe :D

In any event, I'd consider very carefully the issue of traces, as any passing pike will also happily take any of these offerings, and I've yet to find a water that had no pike at all in there, even the ones that apparently 'don't contain any'! :D

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Peter,

 

Like I said - - - it was just a Wild Ass Guess. I suspected you guys must be able to use trout or he wouldn't even have suggested that as an option. I was just relating US rules.

 

No Idea how to go about the actual angling aspect.

 

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However the water in question does not allow Coarse fish dead or alive to be used as bait.

 

I wonder if they just used the term coarse, but where thinking more of No Freshwater baits and just used the wrong wording? Never sure whether to interpret the rules to the letter of the law, or seek further clarification.

 

If allowed and you could get them fresh and the right size they might be a winner.

Stephen

 

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Does the water in question contain small trout? If so I'd guess there's a higher chance that they would work as bait. I don't know anyone who's used trout for perch bait though, so I can't be sure.

 

I always think it's worth experimenting so it has to be worth a go, but I'd take a load of lobs for when I lost my bottle ;)

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I think your on a loser here Rob.I would be very much surprised if (for their purposes) they dont class trout as banned. Most places who have such bans actually word it as "No Freshwater" baits but "Coarse baits" will still be interpreted as the same.

 

Ive used small trout as lives for perch but as they are very strong had problems with "tail nipping" all the time.

 

Another "rule" you would have to make sure you didn't fall foul of is "having undersized fish in your possession"! Sounds daft I know but some years back while helping run the pike fishing days on a trout reservoir when I applied for permission to get in some trout live baits a regional fishery officer started to kick up! Basically she said that we were quite within our rights to bring in/sell/use trout as live baits (providing all appropriate paper work was done) but would have to keep a minimum size of 10" as this was (at the time) the legal take able minimum size!!! Crazy I know but there were (thankfully squashed) plans a foot to stop farms selling "undersized" fish to prevent anglers buying them and then being accused of "taking undersized trout" or indeed taking undersized trout and claiming they were brought! Load of old twaddle eh! Fortunately quickly squashed as several big trout waters actually by their trout in "undersized" then "grow them on" before stocking!

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And thats my "non indicative opinion"!

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I think your on a loser here Rob.I would be very much surprised if (for their purposes) they dont class trout as banned. Most places who have such bans actually word it as "No Freshwater" baits but "Coarse baits" will still be interpreted as the same.

 

Ive used small trout as lives for perch but as they are very strong had problems with "tail nipping" all the time.

 

Another "rule" you would have to make sure you didn't fall foul of is "having undersized fish in your possession"! Sounds daft I know but some years back while helping run the pike fishing days on a trout reservoir when I applied for permission to get in some trout live baits a regional fishery officer started to kick up! Basically she said that we were quite within our rights to bring in/sell/use trout as live baits (providing all appropriate paper work was done) but would have to keep a minimum size of 10" as this was (at the time) the legal take able minimum size!!! Crazy I know but there were (thankfully squashed) plans a foot to stop farms selling "undersized" fish to prevent anglers buying them and then being accused of "taking undersized trout" or indeed taking undersized trout and claiming they were brought! Load of old twaddle eh! Fortunately quickly squashed as several big trout waters actually by their trout in "undersized" then "grow them on" before stocking!

 

Trout for zander live or dead is by far the best bait. As pike anglers know it aint bad for them. I have never fished live or deads for perch but if a zander is anything to go by it's deadly


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Does the water in question contain small trout? If so I'd guess there's a higher chance that they would work as bait. I don't know anyone who's used trout for perch bait though, so I can't be sure.

 

I always think it's worth experimenting so it has to be worth a go, but I'd take a load of lobs for when I lost my bottle ;)

 

Nope, it's a commercial. Carp and Silvers.

 

I took Lobs and Prawn on my first trip.

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