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Interesting...over the years i have had a shed load of large stripeys to lives with wire whilst Piking and never found it to put them off ....on the Thames and Kennet at least....mind you maybe i would have caught even more without a trace?? Maybe these things can be venue specific a bit like the worms/Livebait/deadbait preference of some fish at certain types of venue Steve.

 

Could well boil down to the method - lives and lures fish pretty much the same trace or not and the Perch has a smaller window to make its decision.

 

Ledgered worm or deadbait on the other hand and it's got more time to check the bait out or if it picks it up and smells a rat to reject it.

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Rob,

 

You know I am a carp guy. Please don't take offense for I am reaching for a smile not something to displease you. You are beginning to sound like a British carp angler. They (my Brit carp pals) assert, without proof, English carp are the smartest fish in the world. The smartest fish actually just may be English Perch. You say perch take ""time to check the bait out or if it picks it up and smells a rat to reject it"". That requires making a pretty sohpisticated intellectual 'either/or' decisions. Pretty smart perch. Carp can't do that, they're just fish.

 

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I was Piking at the weekend and so was using wire. I fished one rod in the margins and could see the Gudgeon live bait in the water. I had a Perch around 10oz take a Gudgeon dispite the wire, however I saw 2 very good Perch both looked around 3lb inspect the bait but not take it. Heart thumping stuff to watch but do frustrating. It seemed the bigger fish knew something was not right.

 

I have had Perch on lives with wire but only small ones and a few on deads with wire but so few I struggle to have faith in using it. Seeing those Perch at the weekend reject the livo has done nothing to change my mind that it puts them off.

 

But that's just my experience, I don't doubt that it works for others. But I wonder does the situation effect the result. If in a group will they have less time to check the bait out and so must make a snap decision to take the bait, similar to lure fishing. The big ones I saw at the weekend looked alone or at least I did not see any others and both fish had plenty of time to inspect the bait and smell a rat.

 

EDIT; Sorry, Rob for knicking your rat reference. Just read it back and notified I used it, but I think it does come down to time to smell a rat.

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Rob,

 

You know I am a carp guy. Please don't take offense for I am reaching for a smile not something to displease you. You are beginning to sound like a British carp angler. They (my Brit carp pals) assert, without proof, English carp are the smartest fish in the world. The smartest fish actually just may be English Perch. You say perch take ""time to check the bait out or if it picks it up and smells a rat to reject it"". That requires making a pretty sohpisticated intellectual 'either/or' decisions. Pretty smart perch. Carp can't do that, they're just fish.

 

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What I'm saying is predatory fish can reject a bait because it looks or feels unnatural, like if they feel resistance for instance.

 

Other species including Carp have similar tendencies and there's some very well known video evidence of just that happening in the UK.

 

Check out the 'Korda Underwater' videos you should be able to find them online.

 

Another thing that may not affect your fishing as much as it does in the UK is Angling pressure, fish certainly 'get wise' and it's well documented fish learn by association.

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Surely the fact that I have never caught a perch on wire after 46+ years of piking and eel fishing with live and deadbaits mounted on wire is enough for me to accept it as true?

 

 

Yes, of course it's a 'truth' for you, that has been your experience. I have never caught a stripey on bait mounted with 2 trebles for pike either, even in the past when baits other than dead sea ones (thats sea fish which are dead...not fish from the dead sea :) ) were used. However I have hooked into lots of pike when small (er) live baiting, and that why I always use wire. I even caught a whopping great roach (I have told this one before) one night when ledgering lobs for perch, and there was a wire trace.

 

Mind you Budgie, you havn't been at this fishing business for very long (46 years) bit o'a sprog really! ;):D

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Emma you should start putting some pictures up!

 

 

I will, once I would have shown and told exactly where I had been fishin', and thought poorly of those who kept everything secret, now I wish to preserve our so far very quiet and special places, so I need to chop the backgrounds down a bit.

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I will, once I would have shown and told exactly where I had been fishin', and thought poorly of those who kept everything secret, now I wish to preserve our so far very quiet and special places, so I need to chop the backgrounds down a bit.

 

Don't blame you, I might pester you to tag along next time I'm up at our kids though ;)

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Mind you Budgie, you havn't been at this fishing business for very long (46 years) bit o'a sprog really! ;):D

 

 

:lol: I think as JV says its got to be down to venue. Despite the venues Ive fished for pike or eels not having massive heads of big perch I still think it strange that I have never accidentally caught a perch on bait.

And thats my "non indicative opinion"!

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