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Pike Anglers: Compulsory Courses?

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  1. 1. As an experienced pike angler would you object to having to attend a "handling/Unhooking" course prior to being able to fish a water for pike?

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In truth wouldnt we do our sport a world of good in the eyes of the antis if it was compulsory to have a fish handling license for all speices not just pike. Obviously the license would cover unhooking predators , dressing wounds on fish. Taking scale samples . Bit like passing your driving test no license no fishing period.

everytime i catch a fish i'm lucky when i blank i'm a hopeless angler.

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In truth wouldnt we do our sport a world of good in the eyes of the antis if it was compulsory to have a fish handling license for all speices not just pike. Obviously the license would cover unhooking predators , dressing wounds on fish. Taking scale samples . Bit like passing your driving test no license no fishing period.

 

 

 

This is exactly the kind of shite what makes me totally against any compulsary teach-ins of any kind !

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I have posted it and will let it run a few days and then report back.Might be interesting.

 

I am curious whether they may be against it on the principal of not wanting extra rules and regulations or whether they can see the benefits in the idea.

Stephen

 

Species Caught 2014

Zander, Pike, Bream, Roach, Tench, Perch, Rudd, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Eel, Grayling, Brown Trout, Rainbow Trout

Species Caught 2013

Pike, Zander, Bream, Roach, Eel, Tench, Rudd, Perch, Common Carp, Koi Carp, Brown Goldfish, Grayling, Brown Trout, Chub, Roosterfish, Dorado, Black Grouper, Barracuda, Mangrove Snapper, Mutton Snapper, Jack Crevalle, Tarpon, Red Snapper

Species Caught 2012
Zander, Pike, Perch, Chub, Ruff, Gudgeon, Dace, Minnow, Wels Catfish, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Roach, Bream, Eel, Rudd, Tench, Arapaima, Mekong Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Marbled Tiger Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Thai Redtail Catfish, Batrachian Walking Catfish, Siamese Carp, Rohu, Julliens Golden Prize Carp, Giant Gourami, Java Barb, Red Tailed Tin Foil Barb, Nile Tilapia, Black Pacu, Red Bellied Pacu, Alligator Gar
Species Caught 2011
Zander, Tench, Bream, Chub, Barbel, Roach, Rudd, Grayling, Brown Trout, Salmon Parr, Minnow, Pike, Eel, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Koi Carp, Crucian Carp, F1 Carp, Blue Orfe, Ide, Goldfish, Brown Goldfish, Comet Goldfish, Golden Tench, Golden Rudd, Perch, Gudgeon, Ruff, Bleak, Dace, Sergeant Major, French Grunt, Yellow Tail Snapper, Tom Tate Grunt, Clown Wrasse, Slippery Dick Wrasse, Doctor Fish, Graysby, Dusky Squirrel Fish, Longspine Squirrel Fish, Stripped Croaker, Leather Jack, Emerald Parrot Fish, Red Tail Parrot Fish, White Grunt, Bone Fish
Species Caught 2010
Zander, Pike, Perch, Eel, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Mirror Carp, Common Carp, Crucian Carp, Siamese Carp, Asian Redtail Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Rohu, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Pacu, Long Tom, Moon Wrasse, Sergeant Major, Green Damsel, Tomtate Grunt, Sea Chub, Yellowtail Surgeon, Black Damsel, Blue Dot Grouper, Checkered Sea Perch, Java Rabbitfish, One Spot Snapper, Snubnose Rudderfish
Species Caught 2009
Barramundi, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Wallago Leeri Catfish, Wallago Attu Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Mrigul, Siamese Carp, Java Barb, Tarpon, Wahoo, Barracuda, Skipjack Tuna, Bonito, Yellow Eye Rockfish, Red Snapper, Mangrove Snapper, Black Fin Snapper, Dog Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Marble Grouper, Black Fin Tuna, Spanish Mackerel, Mutton Snapper, Redhind Grouper, Saddle Grouper, Schoolmaster, Coral Trout, Bar Jack, Pike, Zander, Perch, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Common Carp, Golden Tench, Wels Catfish
Species Caught 2008
Dorado, Wahoo, Barracuda, Bonito, Black Fin Tuna, Long Tom, Sergeant Major, Red Snapper, Black Damsel, Queen Trigga Fish, Red Grouper, Redhind Grouper, Rainbow Wrasse, Grey Trigger Fish, Ehrenbergs Snapper, Malabar Grouper, Lunar Fusiler, Two Tone Wrasse, Starry Dragonet, Convict Surgeonfish, Moonbeam Dwarf Angelfish,Bridled Monocle Bream, Redlined Triggerfish, Cero Mackeral, Rainbow Runner
Species Caught 2007
Arapaima, Alligator Gar, Mekong Catfish, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Pacu, Siamese Carp, Barracuda, Black Fin Tuna, Queen Trigger Fish, Red Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Honeycomb Grouper, Red Grouper, Schoolmaster, Cubera Snapper, Black Grouper, Albacore, Ballyhoo, Coney, Yellowfin Goatfish, Lattice Spinecheek

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In truth wouldnt we do our sport a world of good in the eyes of the antis if it was compulsory to have a fish handling license for all species not just pike. Obviously the license would cover unhooking predators, dressing wounds on fish. Taking scale samples . Bit like passing your driving test no license no fishing period.

 

 

I don't think anything we do appeases the an ti's TT and therefore dont think we should even bother trying! However the General Public is a different matter and has been mentioned on here before they are who will decide the future of angling not the extreme anti brigade.

 

What you are describing has been the standard in Germany for many years but its certainly not reflected by the general standard of the German angler!

 

I think a lot though would enjoy learning such things! But if it was compulsory on a National basis it would possibly prove very restrictive,especially to newcomers/casual anglers (unless some provision was made for these).

 

I wonder though how many would shell out to attend such courses if they were available kind of "night school" style? I would think cost would be the issue.

And thats my "non indicative opinion"!

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I am curious whether they may be against it on the principal of not wanting extra rules and regulations or whether they can see the benefits in the idea.

 

 

Me to Dales,will the dislike of "regulations" out weigh the desire for better fish handling? Also interesting to see if (supposedly) specialist pike anglers who are experienced would be "offended" at the idea of having to prove there worth so to speak!

And thats my "non indicative opinion"!

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This is exactly the kind of shite what makes me totally against any compulsary teach-ins of any kind !

 

I might have put it slightly different :D But these things can snow ball and you can soon end up with extra's that where not initially part of the idea.

 

Even staying on Pike, the idea was around handling and unhooking. But how easy with the Pike test to drag in other areas. Such as single hook only, no live baits, all live baits must have a trace (no perching on mono), set pike season. These are all things that could be packaged in the coarse depending on who writes the rules or runs it.

 

Has anyone ever requested a rule change and only got what they wanted? Once something is up for amendment, other little changes always piggy bank in on it.

Stephen

 

Species Caught 2014

Zander, Pike, Bream, Roach, Tench, Perch, Rudd, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Eel, Grayling, Brown Trout, Rainbow Trout

Species Caught 2013

Pike, Zander, Bream, Roach, Eel, Tench, Rudd, Perch, Common Carp, Koi Carp, Brown Goldfish, Grayling, Brown Trout, Chub, Roosterfish, Dorado, Black Grouper, Barracuda, Mangrove Snapper, Mutton Snapper, Jack Crevalle, Tarpon, Red Snapper

Species Caught 2012
Zander, Pike, Perch, Chub, Ruff, Gudgeon, Dace, Minnow, Wels Catfish, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Roach, Bream, Eel, Rudd, Tench, Arapaima, Mekong Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Marbled Tiger Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Thai Redtail Catfish, Batrachian Walking Catfish, Siamese Carp, Rohu, Julliens Golden Prize Carp, Giant Gourami, Java Barb, Red Tailed Tin Foil Barb, Nile Tilapia, Black Pacu, Red Bellied Pacu, Alligator Gar
Species Caught 2011
Zander, Tench, Bream, Chub, Barbel, Roach, Rudd, Grayling, Brown Trout, Salmon Parr, Minnow, Pike, Eel, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Koi Carp, Crucian Carp, F1 Carp, Blue Orfe, Ide, Goldfish, Brown Goldfish, Comet Goldfish, Golden Tench, Golden Rudd, Perch, Gudgeon, Ruff, Bleak, Dace, Sergeant Major, French Grunt, Yellow Tail Snapper, Tom Tate Grunt, Clown Wrasse, Slippery Dick Wrasse, Doctor Fish, Graysby, Dusky Squirrel Fish, Longspine Squirrel Fish, Stripped Croaker, Leather Jack, Emerald Parrot Fish, Red Tail Parrot Fish, White Grunt, Bone Fish
Species Caught 2010
Zander, Pike, Perch, Eel, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Mirror Carp, Common Carp, Crucian Carp, Siamese Carp, Asian Redtail Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Rohu, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Pacu, Long Tom, Moon Wrasse, Sergeant Major, Green Damsel, Tomtate Grunt, Sea Chub, Yellowtail Surgeon, Black Damsel, Blue Dot Grouper, Checkered Sea Perch, Java Rabbitfish, One Spot Snapper, Snubnose Rudderfish
Species Caught 2009
Barramundi, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Wallago Leeri Catfish, Wallago Attu Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Mrigul, Siamese Carp, Java Barb, Tarpon, Wahoo, Barracuda, Skipjack Tuna, Bonito, Yellow Eye Rockfish, Red Snapper, Mangrove Snapper, Black Fin Snapper, Dog Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Marble Grouper, Black Fin Tuna, Spanish Mackerel, Mutton Snapper, Redhind Grouper, Saddle Grouper, Schoolmaster, Coral Trout, Bar Jack, Pike, Zander, Perch, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Common Carp, Golden Tench, Wels Catfish
Species Caught 2008
Dorado, Wahoo, Barracuda, Bonito, Black Fin Tuna, Long Tom, Sergeant Major, Red Snapper, Black Damsel, Queen Trigga Fish, Red Grouper, Redhind Grouper, Rainbow Wrasse, Grey Trigger Fish, Ehrenbergs Snapper, Malabar Grouper, Lunar Fusiler, Two Tone Wrasse, Starry Dragonet, Convict Surgeonfish, Moonbeam Dwarf Angelfish,Bridled Monocle Bream, Redlined Triggerfish, Cero Mackeral, Rainbow Runner
Species Caught 2007
Arapaima, Alligator Gar, Mekong Catfish, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Pacu, Siamese Carp, Barracuda, Black Fin Tuna, Queen Trigger Fish, Red Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Honeycomb Grouper, Red Grouper, Schoolmaster, Cubera Snapper, Black Grouper, Albacore, Ballyhoo, Coney, Yellowfin Goatfish, Lattice Spinecheek

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Certainly a worry Dales I must admit but in fairness Ive never seen this on waters where such testing/instruction has been brought in. And of course it goes back to what I said in the first place ie the right people would have to be used.

And thats my "non indicative opinion"!

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We have had a huge drop in pike numbers on the Broads in recent years, some might even say catastrophic. All sorts of reasons have been put forward by all sorts of self appointed experts, all sorts of suggestions , non of which point fingers at said experts, presumably all blameless. Before we can fix a problem we have to identify it, admit our part in it and then fix it. Courses have been offered on the Broads, but who is to set the curriculum? Who is going to identify the experts that really are experts? I make no bones about it, I have seen several self professed experts whose apparent skills leave a great deal to be desired, blokes who would feel deeply insulted if they had to attend such a course, even if they need to. We can all learn, unfortunately there far too many that think they know it all. Education and information is fine, you can lead a horse to the water, but you can't make it drink.

 

As it is how can compulsory courses be enforced on tidal waters where people have a right to fish?

Peter

https://www.charliecarp.com.au/

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As it is how can compulsory courses be enforced on tidal waters where people have a right to fish?

 

 

Obviously cant Peter but surely its a starting point if private fisheries start doing it? And all though seemingly "selfish" it is at least helping to protect their waters.

 

Big differences between "teach ins" and "compulsory teach ins (at club/water level) and a "National" one though. For now I'm just looking at anglers views on ones at club/water level.

And thats my "non indicative opinion"!

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