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No, I've never fished a lake for zander, it just doesn't appeal to me. I've fished the fens, the Severn, Grafham and Rutland for them - although the last 3 only with lures. In fact the lure fishing has been such great fun and so productive I can't see me doing much bait fishing for them ever again!

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No, I've never fished a lake for zander, it just doesn't appeal to me. I've fished the fens, the Severn, Grafham and Rutland for them - although the last 3 only with lures. In fact the lure fishing has been such great fun and so productive I can't see me doing much bait fishing for them ever again!

 

I agree with you. OBH is right on my doorstep (20mins) so it was convenient. The other issue is you are not allowed to night fish OBH so these zander are coming out in the day which is why i say really don't fish it if there has been no rain for a few days as you really are waisting your time!

So it would be interesting to Night fish there but in general although harder to fish the fens when i did get one i felt better about it. It is the same if you put Barbel in stillwater as far as i am concerned it would not be the same to catch.

Lure fishing for me for Zander and Perch with Mepps or spinners i enjoy but plugs for Pike i would rather wobble a dead bait but mine always fell off...GRRRR!


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All,

 

Oops! my bad - that stuff in my last post is from fishbase.

 

The "hot" walleye baits right now (maybe just in the cold - I don't know) are all either salted lures or saltwater dead baits.

 

Maybe Dales is "ahead of the times".

 

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Like all great artists and geniuses they are mocked in their own time, I can take it :D

Stephen

 

Species Caught 2014

Zander, Pike, Bream, Roach, Tench, Perch, Rudd, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Eel, Grayling, Brown Trout, Rainbow Trout

Species Caught 2013

Pike, Zander, Bream, Roach, Eel, Tench, Rudd, Perch, Common Carp, Koi Carp, Brown Goldfish, Grayling, Brown Trout, Chub, Roosterfish, Dorado, Black Grouper, Barracuda, Mangrove Snapper, Mutton Snapper, Jack Crevalle, Tarpon, Red Snapper

Species Caught 2012
Zander, Pike, Perch, Chub, Ruff, Gudgeon, Dace, Minnow, Wels Catfish, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Roach, Bream, Eel, Rudd, Tench, Arapaima, Mekong Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Marbled Tiger Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Thai Redtail Catfish, Batrachian Walking Catfish, Siamese Carp, Rohu, Julliens Golden Prize Carp, Giant Gourami, Java Barb, Red Tailed Tin Foil Barb, Nile Tilapia, Black Pacu, Red Bellied Pacu, Alligator Gar
Species Caught 2011
Zander, Tench, Bream, Chub, Barbel, Roach, Rudd, Grayling, Brown Trout, Salmon Parr, Minnow, Pike, Eel, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Koi Carp, Crucian Carp, F1 Carp, Blue Orfe, Ide, Goldfish, Brown Goldfish, Comet Goldfish, Golden Tench, Golden Rudd, Perch, Gudgeon, Ruff, Bleak, Dace, Sergeant Major, French Grunt, Yellow Tail Snapper, Tom Tate Grunt, Clown Wrasse, Slippery Dick Wrasse, Doctor Fish, Graysby, Dusky Squirrel Fish, Longspine Squirrel Fish, Stripped Croaker, Leather Jack, Emerald Parrot Fish, Red Tail Parrot Fish, White Grunt, Bone Fish
Species Caught 2010
Zander, Pike, Perch, Eel, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Mirror Carp, Common Carp, Crucian Carp, Siamese Carp, Asian Redtail Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Rohu, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Pacu, Long Tom, Moon Wrasse, Sergeant Major, Green Damsel, Tomtate Grunt, Sea Chub, Yellowtail Surgeon, Black Damsel, Blue Dot Grouper, Checkered Sea Perch, Java Rabbitfish, One Spot Snapper, Snubnose Rudderfish
Species Caught 2009
Barramundi, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Wallago Leeri Catfish, Wallago Attu Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Mrigul, Siamese Carp, Java Barb, Tarpon, Wahoo, Barracuda, Skipjack Tuna, Bonito, Yellow Eye Rockfish, Red Snapper, Mangrove Snapper, Black Fin Snapper, Dog Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Marble Grouper, Black Fin Tuna, Spanish Mackerel, Mutton Snapper, Redhind Grouper, Saddle Grouper, Schoolmaster, Coral Trout, Bar Jack, Pike, Zander, Perch, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Common Carp, Golden Tench, Wels Catfish
Species Caught 2008
Dorado, Wahoo, Barracuda, Bonito, Black Fin Tuna, Long Tom, Sergeant Major, Red Snapper, Black Damsel, Queen Trigga Fish, Red Grouper, Redhind Grouper, Rainbow Wrasse, Grey Trigger Fish, Ehrenbergs Snapper, Malabar Grouper, Lunar Fusiler, Two Tone Wrasse, Starry Dragonet, Convict Surgeonfish, Moonbeam Dwarf Angelfish,Bridled Monocle Bream, Redlined Triggerfish, Cero Mackeral, Rainbow Runner
Species Caught 2007
Arapaima, Alligator Gar, Mekong Catfish, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Pacu, Siamese Carp, Barracuda, Black Fin Tuna, Queen Trigger Fish, Red Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Honeycomb Grouper, Red Grouper, Schoolmaster, Cubera Snapper, Black Grouper, Albacore, Ballyhoo, Coney, Yellowfin Goatfish, Lattice Spinecheek

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And I wouldn't mind betting if you could fish OBH with lives you would all catch a lot more!

 

Fished a couple of still waters for them,Roswell Pits,Claydon (middle and lower) and OBH all produced best on lives but they did produce fish on other baits as well. If I never dead baited for them again on any water I certainly wouldn't think I was missing out where with pike in some conditions I think I would.

And thats my "non indicative opinion"!

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And I wouldn't mind betting if you could fish OBH with lives you would all catch a lot more!

 

Fished a couple of still waters for them,Roswell Pits,Claydon (middle and lower) and OBH all produced best on lives but they did produce fish on other baits as well. If I never dead baited for them again on any water I certainly wouldn't think I was missing out where with pike in some conditions I think I would.

 

If you could use lives at OBH I most certainly would but working with in the rules, a swap from naturals to sea has seen my results shoot up.

Stephen

 

Species Caught 2014

Zander, Pike, Bream, Roach, Tench, Perch, Rudd, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Eel, Grayling, Brown Trout, Rainbow Trout

Species Caught 2013

Pike, Zander, Bream, Roach, Eel, Tench, Rudd, Perch, Common Carp, Koi Carp, Brown Goldfish, Grayling, Brown Trout, Chub, Roosterfish, Dorado, Black Grouper, Barracuda, Mangrove Snapper, Mutton Snapper, Jack Crevalle, Tarpon, Red Snapper

Species Caught 2012
Zander, Pike, Perch, Chub, Ruff, Gudgeon, Dace, Minnow, Wels Catfish, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Roach, Bream, Eel, Rudd, Tench, Arapaima, Mekong Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Marbled Tiger Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Thai Redtail Catfish, Batrachian Walking Catfish, Siamese Carp, Rohu, Julliens Golden Prize Carp, Giant Gourami, Java Barb, Red Tailed Tin Foil Barb, Nile Tilapia, Black Pacu, Red Bellied Pacu, Alligator Gar
Species Caught 2011
Zander, Tench, Bream, Chub, Barbel, Roach, Rudd, Grayling, Brown Trout, Salmon Parr, Minnow, Pike, Eel, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Koi Carp, Crucian Carp, F1 Carp, Blue Orfe, Ide, Goldfish, Brown Goldfish, Comet Goldfish, Golden Tench, Golden Rudd, Perch, Gudgeon, Ruff, Bleak, Dace, Sergeant Major, French Grunt, Yellow Tail Snapper, Tom Tate Grunt, Clown Wrasse, Slippery Dick Wrasse, Doctor Fish, Graysby, Dusky Squirrel Fish, Longspine Squirrel Fish, Stripped Croaker, Leather Jack, Emerald Parrot Fish, Red Tail Parrot Fish, White Grunt, Bone Fish
Species Caught 2010
Zander, Pike, Perch, Eel, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Mirror Carp, Common Carp, Crucian Carp, Siamese Carp, Asian Redtail Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Rohu, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Pacu, Long Tom, Moon Wrasse, Sergeant Major, Green Damsel, Tomtate Grunt, Sea Chub, Yellowtail Surgeon, Black Damsel, Blue Dot Grouper, Checkered Sea Perch, Java Rabbitfish, One Spot Snapper, Snubnose Rudderfish
Species Caught 2009
Barramundi, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Wallago Leeri Catfish, Wallago Attu Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Mrigul, Siamese Carp, Java Barb, Tarpon, Wahoo, Barracuda, Skipjack Tuna, Bonito, Yellow Eye Rockfish, Red Snapper, Mangrove Snapper, Black Fin Snapper, Dog Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Marble Grouper, Black Fin Tuna, Spanish Mackerel, Mutton Snapper, Redhind Grouper, Saddle Grouper, Schoolmaster, Coral Trout, Bar Jack, Pike, Zander, Perch, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Common Carp, Golden Tench, Wels Catfish
Species Caught 2008
Dorado, Wahoo, Barracuda, Bonito, Black Fin Tuna, Long Tom, Sergeant Major, Red Snapper, Black Damsel, Queen Trigga Fish, Red Grouper, Redhind Grouper, Rainbow Wrasse, Grey Trigger Fish, Ehrenbergs Snapper, Malabar Grouper, Lunar Fusiler, Two Tone Wrasse, Starry Dragonet, Convict Surgeonfish, Moonbeam Dwarf Angelfish,Bridled Monocle Bream, Redlined Triggerfish, Cero Mackeral, Rainbow Runner
Species Caught 2007
Arapaima, Alligator Gar, Mekong Catfish, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Pacu, Siamese Carp, Barracuda, Black Fin Tuna, Queen Trigger Fish, Red Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Honeycomb Grouper, Red Grouper, Schoolmaster, Cubera Snapper, Black Grouper, Albacore, Ballyhoo, Coney, Yellowfin Goatfish, Lattice Spinecheek

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And I wouldn't mind betting if you could fish OBH with lives you would all catch a lot more!

 

Fished a couple of still waters for them,Roswell Pits,Claydon (middle and lower) and OBH all produced best on lives but they did produce fish on other baits as well. If I never dead baited for them again on any water I certainly wouldn't think I was missing out where with pike in some conditions I think I would.

 

Well actually no budgie. :D

I did most of my fishing before (i can only assume now you are saying it's banned) it was and i never ever got a snippet on a live bait. Yet on the fens it is different. That is wxactly what i meant that zander fisherman are not a fickled bunch as what you said is exactly the right thing to do but in OBH before the ban it really was not. Everyone i had not seen there start fishing put a live bait out and rediculed my dead bait until a 12lb 4 oz Zed must have come through their live baits and took my dead and what a fish.

Now being that i had fished the fens first it took me a long time to decide it was the right method and they seemed experienced so they kept fishing live baits which is what i did years before but when only 5 minutes later a 5lb was in my net (a shoal was in the area as that what tended to happen) they changed to Dead sea baits and i just did not have the heart to tell them as another 4lber hit my net.

They were pre packed Herrings and on OBH herrings did not seem to work well for pike either they seemed to prefer the smaller whole fish like roach or sprat.

You can fish a bait for pike but for Zander you really do have to find out the secrets of the venue.

And i have just given you OBH 's secret on catching Zander or is dale right and herrings and libe baits do catch as i have spent an hour trying to get out of a supermarket car park as some tit hit a bollard so i might be in a really nasty mood.... :D

 

 

Editing this.....But on further reflection they may have realised that dead baiting was the only way to go so banning live baiting keeps all sides happy because normally with Zeds banning live baiting would be a disaster for Zeds

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The one thing for sure Steve is that on these "artificial" pressured waters you definitely need to ring the changes when your not allowed to use the natural food item. Lets remember live not dead fish are a Zed's (or pike for that matter) natural food and as such cant "blow"! Everything else can. Just as we must not confuse what happens at the likes of OBH and Claydon we must also be careful not to confuse what happens on "natural" waters with them!

 

My brother Andrew has never caught a Zander and so before I finally have to give it up we are going to make an effort this year to do a bit more than I have been doing lately. Now I dont have my trout water access I do have a lot more time in the winter but health wise I think I'm going to be doing a lot of it Summer (a new one for me) and Autumn.Got several venues both new and old (to me) in mind and have no objections at all to sorting it so we can go "mob handed" so if Dales,Hawk,Anderoo,John, Headless or who ever want to tag along let me know.I mainly fish at night and doss around during the day,dont do the sleep while pred fishing thing. As my brother struggles to get time off it will be mainly a weekend/long weekend thing.I'm quite happy to get their a day early though to sort out the baits. So if anyone's up for it (venues from the Midlands to the Fens) let me know and soon as its warmed up and the early tench/breaming done I will sort.

And thats my "non indicative opinion"!

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Well actually no budgie. :D

I did most of my fishing before (i can only assume now you are saying it's banned) it was and i never ever got a snippet on a live bait. Yet on the fens it is different. That is wxactly what i meant that zander fisherman are not a fickled bunch as what you said is exactly the right thing to do but in OBH before the ban it really was not. Everyone i had not seen there start fishing put a live bait out and rediculed my dead bait until a 12lb 4 oz Zed must have come through their live baits and took my dead and what a fish.

Now being that i had fished the fens first it took me a long time to decide it was the right method and they seemed experienced so they kept fishing live baits which is what i did years before but when only 5 minutes later a 5lb was in my net (a shoal was in the area as that what tended to happen) they changed to Dead sea baits and i just did not have the heart to tell them as another 4lber hit my net.

They were pre packed Herrings and on OBH herrings did not seem to work well for pike either they seemed to prefer the smaller whole fish like roach or sprat.

You can fish a bait for pike but for Zander you really do have to find out the secrets of the venue.

And i have just given you OBH 's secret on catching Zander or is dale right and herrings and libe baits do catch as i have spent an hour trying to get out of a supermarket car park as some tit hit a bollard so i might be in a really nasty mood.... :D

 

 

That's interesting Dave. I think a lot of people fish lives "wrong" for Zeds though.Certainly (although the tackle can be the same) need to treat them differently to Pike. I hear lots going on about "dropped runs" which in fact are not really dropped runs as we commonly know them but just the way Zeds feed. But I'm sure you know this (or do you and that's why you failed with lives but succeeded with deads?) but I only fished the water a couple of times as Dave's (De Vere) guest so cant really speak from experience of the place where you can. The days I did fish though lives far outscored deads ( I had roach and eel out).Plus waters change.

 

It might not seem it at times but honestly no matter how many times my views are proven correct (to me) I'm still open to new things just that I have to see to believe (well to the extent that I will change my views or adopt something new).

 

Its why I like get togethers as its allways good to pool information. All the biggest breakthroughs,best locations found and biggest fish/best fishing Ive had have come from this. Ok doing your own thing means you dont have to share your success but it can also slow down or even stop you getting any! Anyway I'm at the stage where I enjoy seeing others catch as much as I do catching myself.

And thats my "non indicative opinion"!

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The one thing for sure Steve is that on these "artificial" pressured waters you definitely need to ring the changes when your not allowed to use the natural food item. Lets remember live not dead fish are a Zed's (or pike for that matter) natural food and as such cant "blow"! Everything else can. Just as we must not confuse what happens at the likes of OBH and Claydon we must also be careful not to confuse what happens on "natural" waters with them!

 

My brother Andrew has never caught a Zander and so before I finally have to give it up we are going to make an effort this year to do a bit more than I have been doing lately. Now I dont have my trout water access I do have a lot more time in the winter but health wise I think I'm going to be doing a lot of it Summer (a new one for me) and Autumn.Got several venues both new and old (to me) in mind and have no objections at all to sorting it so we can go "mob handed" so if Dales,Hawk,Anderoo,John, Headless or who ever want to tag along let me know.I mainly fish at night and doss around during the day,dont do the sleep while pred fishing thing. As my brother struggles to get time off it will be mainly a weekend/long weekend thing.I'm quite happy to get their a day early though to sort out the baits. So if anyone's up for it (venues from the Midlands to the Fens) let me know and soon as its warmed up and the early tench/breaming done I will sort.

 

I feel as if I have done the Zander now and starting up again I do still love them but a 14lb and quite a few doubles of which 2 in the fens I can't really better but my experience in Pike believe it or not is quite limited . I caught a beauty on the Bure but after that I am struggling to remember a 20 although I think I have on my facebook photo's a couple of either big doubles or a 20 I really can't exactly remember. As you know B good pike fishing is a joke in our part of the world and that is why the only decent pike you have seen is off the broads

. Did you know that there are I think two weekends on bough beech reservoir that they open just for Pike anglers each year and some monsters have come out? I never knew that until last week. That certainly is worth a look for me.

But count me in mate but while you guys chuck out skimmer live baits I might chuck out dirty great herring dead baits. Now there is a thing...I catch a dirty great zander on a big Herring...Now that really would be funny!


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Dave myself and Rob had quite a lot to do with helping Ken and Jock run the original pike trials there mate.As such we had a pretty much free run of the place in its hey day.Not the water it was I'm afraid,They actually do a season ticket there now and dont open it up to non ticket holders any more. If you want a day out there though I can sort one.I dont bother myself as its a shadow of what it was and far better venues to fish these days.

And thats my "non indicative opinion"!

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