Cant get my head around it??

[me]

good point tetley. I see where your coming from. People use 20lb line or more to catch 3lb mackerel. So you should be able to do this when coarse fishing you will have less chance of loosing the fish. right?

[Dick Dastardly]

So why would landing a fish quicker result in ripped mouths etc.The guy is talking about match fishing here not dragging carp through weed beds.When I was stationed in Germany whilst serving in the Army we regularly match fished some very prolific waters.One in particular was the River Wasser.In the Hameln area roach were the main species and I have seen many people break the majic ton and not even frame in their section!It was a fish a chuck.The only way you could speed up your catch rate was to speed up the landing of the fish,3lb hooklinks and 14 hooks were the lightest we would go to aid this.Further up river nearer Neinburg bream were the target fish.The quickest way to get these was to "Lay on" with a pole using 5lb line straight through to hand.When hooked the pole would be swung up stream ,paralell to the bank and the bream (these averaged about 4lb) simpley "kited" into a waiting net.The only elastic used in those days was either on a crook or built "inline" into the rig.Most used the line direct to the tip.I NEVER saw any problems with damaged mouths (not by the playing and fast landing anyway).

so yes you can use heavy gear to speed up the landing of fish in a match situation.Note though that I said landing,as pointed out previously a lot of (in fact most in this country)waters that matchs are held on are very hard fished waters were to get a bite in the first place you need to fish fine.A lot of match anglers who specialise on the commercial carp ponds fish quite heavy anyway.

[mpbdsnu]

Yes, and we've all seen the state of some of their mouths!

 

Education is what is needed mate, and kids reading the above will be misled, and think its fine to use heavier tackle and yank em in!

 

Not good!

[The Diamond Geezer]

mpbdsnu:

 

If it isn't a wind-up, I think it's a disgusting attitude to take, that of catching, and bagging-up as quickly as possible, with the welfare of the fish (no matter what species) obviously coming a poor second - if that!

 

In my humble opinion, it is attitudes such as this that give our sport a bad name, and that which causes divisions within it!

Were there ever truer words written? I don't think so!

 

I agree 100% ... got to be wind-up .. move-on to other threads, says I

 

D :mad: G

 

P.S. I never wonder why space explorations to the Moon and Mars etc., never find signs of life ... because they're all down here on Earth already, aren't they? Well, some peeps certainly aren't from this planet, are they :confused:

 

[ 27. May 2004, 09:05 AM: Message edited by: The Diamond Geezer ]

[tetley]

This is no windup, and i do not have a poor attitutde to the sport, as ive stated i wouldnt use hard methods but what im saying is we use heavy methods for heavy fish so how is using tackle for light fish tha worse.

 

Eg, we swing 3 oz roach in, that poor fish is being dragged up by its mouth

[tetley]

This is no windup, and i do not have a poor attitutde to the sport, as ive stated i wouldnt use hard methods but what im saying is we use heavy methods for heavy fish so how is using tackle for light fish tha worse.

 

Eg, we swing 3 oz roach in, that poor fish is being dragged up by its mouth

[kendo]

me:

good point tetley. I see where your coming from. People use 20lb line or more to catch 3lb mackerel. So you should be able to do this when coarse fishing you will have less chance of loosing the fish. right?

A 6 ounce roach perhaps on 20lb line interesting ,this thread is dam silly

[Chesh]

no its not a silly thread matey its very interesting i have made the switch (well 7 year ago) from match fishing to big carp (well any size carp) fishing, and to me this thread is quite good.

 

IMO you know the water your goign to fish, and there fore you tackle it in a way you see fit. Match fishing for carp (which is probably what most peopel are doing) is in a man made hole in the ground with very little in the way of underwater snags, perhaps the odd weedbed, but apart from that you might get reeds in the margin etc... with fish to say about 10lb maybe one or two slightly bigger how do you approach it? certainly not with standard carp tactics, heavyt line big hooks etc... you go armed with 4lb line straight through to a size 16/14, with size 12 elastic through 3 sections perfectly adequate and i have had carp to 18lb on this method. But then you getthe ones who are looking at speed catching, size 20 elastic, 6lb line hit, hold and net !! nothing barbaric about it !! end of the day the fishery managers ake the rules, and with technology in lines going the right way we will soon be able to catch the larger sized fish in matchjes and not have to worry about the line snapping !!

 

You can then look at the big carp man, i know plenty of carp anglers who fish to there surroundings, yes some use 15lb main line, 25lb coated hooklinks size 4 hooks etc.. nine time out of ten they are fishing very weedy snaggy old waters where this approach is needed, i know some carp anglers who use 8lb line and catch 30lbers regularly i think its been mentioned in this thread before Education not Condemnation, teach the youngsters and some oldun's that big strong tactics doesnt necesarily mean big fish every time, usually and quite often they will blank and after a few blanks the gear goes in the shed never to be seen again !!

[kendo]

yes I agree if you are targeting carp perhaps but the origial post did not speciefy a species,if you use 20lb line in a match where only the odd carp may appear I doubt if you would get much action from anything else.

 

each to their own

[kendo]

yes I agree if you are targeting carp perhaps but the original post did not specify a species,if you use 20lb line in a match where only the odd carp may appear I doubt if you would get much action from anything else.

 

each to their own