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opposed to overgunned, it's important from the fishies welfare point of view that the set up isn't undergunned. I see a short video this week of anglers 'sportingly' loose two blonde ray, one after the other purly because of light gear both times the tackle broke. Still we can't see the result of that so it's ok to carry on then. I have no idea if they would have retained or not, if landed, that isn't the point.

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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Hi

 

Is it just me or is there a massive trend for anglers and tackle companies to specify, recommend and use massively overgunned tackle? why is this becoming such a trend?

 

It seems that nowadays you have to be using 3lb test curve rods for carp, 2lb test for Barbel and hooks and rigs etc that look more like sea tackle!

 

I can remember catching loads of big fish when I was a kid just using a cheap float rod, 5lb line, size 8 hook etc.....when you are young and poor you tend to just go for anything with the tackle you have.

 

Also I have caught large carp and pike from fairly weedy waters with 2lb test through action rods and size 6 super specialist hooks 10lb line etc and this type of tackle seems to work fine.

 

I understand the need to use adequate tackle in order to suit the conditions and size of fish etc but surely some of these super stiff rods, heavy braided mainlines and massive hooks are a bit too much and take away alot of the excitement of playing fish etc?

 

Just wondering what other people think?

 

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Hi Chris,

I couldn't agree with you more.

Personally I reckon that these type of carpers and so called barbel anglers just don't have the skills required to win their fish on lighter balanced tackle. I'm not talking of match tackle but of a 1.75 - 2lb TC rod, 10lb main line and maybe an 8/9lb hoohlength. It can be done and Richard Walker proved it! I recently went for a rare carping session and used my old B.James/R.Walker Mk4 with Mitchell 300 and 8lb mainline. I heard a few snickers from others sitting comfortably in the sun as I crept around the bank but I was soon the one catching carp while they sat there fishless! Sure they weren't monsters, the best being 16lb but within the first hour I'd had 4 fish off the top! I don't fish to lose them but surely if it does happen, it's better for the fish to carry a lost hook rather than have it's mouth torn and disfigured for the rest of it's life! That's not being concerned for the fishes welfare at all!

The types that are using this "overgunned" tackle want the "big specimen hunter" tag and just aren't concerned on how they go about it.

 

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Of the 10 or 12 carp anglers that I encountered that day, 8 of them commented upon the "nice old rod" but didn't have a clue what it was and had a "vague memory" of someone called Walker and B.James (most of them thought the B stood for Bob James ! :roll1: ).

It seems to me that we are losing our knowledge of our angling history!

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Chris,

 

I can't believe the UK is all that much different than the USA in its mix of anglers.

 

Maybe you haven't watched as the "3 to 1" unskilled anglers break off 80% of their hookups at the mainline. Not many, at least in America, that can catch a 5 lb fish on a 2 lb line. Same is true for rods. Perhaps our most skilled anglers can use 5 ft rods balanced to that breaking strength. With a 5 ft rod your reaction time and anticipation skills must be first rate to "save" a fish. So, we provide broomsticks and sash cord. The unskilled 60% think they are quite handsome with their new powerful kit.

 

I happen to think your L O N G wobbly rods cover up a world of sins at any TC.

 

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Having started both carping and barbeling back in the late 60's and 70's. i see very clearly where your coming from.

 

I agree whole heartedly about the unnecessary use of 3/3.5 tc rods for carp. 2lbTC is more than adequate for most situations.

 

Where I do disagree is with the tackle used for barbel. When I first started it was straight forward leger tackle. Which was easily dealt with by 1/1.25 tc rods. These days its big feeders and pva bags. Which require heavier tackle to handle correctly.

 

We also have to look at fish welfare, the quicker we get barbel in the easier it is for the fish to recover. Its the same in pike fishing with the increase in heavier tackle

 

its an unfortunate situation that many carp anglers turned to barbel and kept the same mind set. Which lets be honest has been set by the few and copied by the majority of anglers. In a lot of cases they are or were the instant angler who bought all the gear with no idea.

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Hi Chris,

I couldn't agree with you more.

Personally I reckon that these type of carpers and so called barbel anglers just don't have the skills required to win their fish on lighter balanced tackle. I'm not talking of match tackle but of a 1.75 - 2lb TC rod, 10lb main line and maybe an 8/9lb hoohlength. It can be done and Richard Walker proved it! I recently went for a rare carping session and used my old B.James/R.Walker Mk4 with Mitchell 300 and 8lb mainline. I heard a few snickers from others sitting comfortably in the sun as I crept around the bank but I was soon the one catching carp while they sat there fishless! Sure they weren't monsters, the best being 16lb but within the first hour I'd had 4 fish off the top! I don't fish to lose them but surely if it does happen, it's better for the fish to carry a lost hook rather than have it's mouth torn and disfigured for the rest of it's life! That's not being concerned for the fishes welfare at all!

The types that are using this "overgunned" tackle want the "big specimen hunter" tag and just aren't concerned on how they go about it.

 

P.S.

Of the 10 or 12 carp anglers that I encountered that day, 8 of them commented upon the "nice old rod" but didn't have a clue what it was and had a "vague memory" of someone called Walker and B.James (most of them thought the B stood for Bob James ! :roll1: ).

It seems to me that we are losing our knowledge of our angling history!

 

Hi,

I couldn't agree more. I too use cane rods for much of my fishing these days, B.James mkIV carp and mkIV Avon (1.1/4lb tc) Not just for the pleasure of using nice tackle but for the forgiving nature of the rods as well. I think you have to be sensible with lighter tackle and wouldn't fish tight to known snags or in heavy weed, but would use appropriate gear instead. Light tackle is hard to beat in my opinion, it's worth remembering that Chris yates landed his 51lb fish from Redmire on an Avon mkIV... makes you think, doesn't it... I fished at a local stillwater only yesterday, using an 11ft cane float rod and had a lovely mixed bag in a few hours, including tench and bream to around 3 lb and rudd to around a pound, all on a rod which cost me £5 at a car boot sale... rain as well, it was delightful day.

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Chris,

 

I can't believe the UK is all that much different than the USA in its mix of anglers.

 

Maybe you haven't watched as the "3 to 1" unskilled anglers break off 80% of their hookups at the mainline. Not many, at least in America, that can catch a 5 lb fish on a 2 lb line. Same is true for rods. Perhaps our most skilled anglers can use 5 ft rods balanced to that breaking strength. With a 5 ft rod your reaction time and anticipation skills must be first rate to "save" a fish. So, we provide broomsticks and sash cord. The unskilled 60% think they are quite handsome with their new powerful kit.

 

I happen to think your L O N G wobbly rods cover up a world of sins at any TC.

 

Phone

 

 

i certainly wouldn't use a 5' long rod, as it does not do the job that is most important, protecting the line and end tackle. I absolutly love using braid rods of a decent length, say 8' the most important bit apart from landing the fish is that it also acts as a spring 5' long rods just don't do it, in particular with non stretch braid. I have two that appear matching, yet totally different action. Very light, however the lightest class has a through action intentionally as it needs to use the spring more so than the heavy duty one that is tippy and more used to hauling the big ones up with plenty of power in reserve. It also acts as a powerful lever, you cannot claim that a 5 footer does the same. Yes i know i'm talking about deep salt water, however in my mind freshwater fishing uses the same principle surly. There are world class guys in the uk who haul up 100lb conger eel using 16-20lb line and they certainly wouldn't be able to do that using 5 footers. Salties no longer use broom sticks and sash cord since braid came on the market. :thumbs:

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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Also I have caught large carp and pike from fairly weedy waters with 2lb test through action rods and size 6 super specialist hooks 10lb line etc and this type of tackle seems to work fine.

I would class that as being over gunned to be honest.

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I would class that as being over gunned to be honest.

It does make me wonder what he would class as a big hook. :)

 

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Tackle in general is getting stronger. I remember looking at the new fox barbel rods a while ago, and the lowest TC in the range was 1.75lb.

 

With the carpers, I think a lot of it is dictated by fashion and media, but the kind of tackle that's appropriate on a big windswept and weedy pit is not appropriate on most club or day ticket waters. Very strong tackle is not needed to land most fish, but to get a bait to where the fish are and/or to cope with snags/weed/bars/etc.

 

I guess even 'pleasure fishing' tackle is a lot stronger than it used to be, simply because most places are now full of carp.

 

However, I am planning to step up my winter chub gear to what many would think was overgunned. The 1.25lb TC rod I have been using has sometimes not had the guts to stop a big fish in its tracks, allowing it to reach a near-bank snag. I've looked at some alternatives and next winter will be stepping up to a 1.5lb TC barbel rod. Sporting is fine, but you have to be able to get your bait to where the fish are, and then to land them.

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A 45lb tope, the biggest of four caught on an Ugly Stik 6lb class rod (6-10lb) with 10lb line. 6-10lb line class roughly equates to 1.25-2lb test curve!

This little rod is also excellent as a pike plugging rod.

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A nice action, a sensitive tip and loads of backbone. Lots of people use them for black bream and flatties....In my opinion still much too heavy for barbel though.

 

Oh yes, 8'2" long.

 

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