Overgunned tackle!

[barry luxton]

Barry,

 

It prevents a fast head shake and getting off. Sometimes there is a patch of weeds or lillys between the boat and the fish. Simply up and over is the technique. Newt can say more - - - or, he may want it unsaid. Really, I'm not an expert or even a beginner. It is quite colorful though.

 

Phone

 

Ok i can understand that, however, to me thats the difference between fishing and catching. Thats why the likes of both Worms and myself consider the 'balanced' wobbly rods as the method we would rather use.

[Phone]

Barry,

 

I can understand that. I respect your idea. However those are million dollar fish hitting the deck. Not sporting at all!!! It's just presented on TV as sporting.

 

Phone

 

May I remind you they are just fish.

[barry luxton]

Barry,

 

I can understand that. I respect your idea. However those are million dollar fish hitting the deck. Not sporting at all!!! It's just presented on TV as sporting.

 

Phone

 

May I remind you they are just fish.

 

 

ahh yes, we have something like that overhere, called fishomania or something like that, they do it in an artificial muddy round pond and class that as sport. You can remind me however many times that they are just fish, won't make any difference between fishing and catching though.

[Sportsman]

Barry,

 

I can understand that. I respect your idea. However those are million dollar fish hitting the deck. Not sporting at all!!! It's just presented on TV as sporting.

 

Phone

 

May I remind you they are just fish.

 

Phone

The US bass fishing tournaments are sometimes televised over here and I have watched them catapult fish on to the deck.

I have seen them bounce them off the steering console and lose them, bounce them off the side of the boat and lose them and just pull the hook and lose them. Given that they have a boat partner standing there with a landing net and given how much one of those fish might be worth it did strike me as remarkably stupid but maybe there is method in their madness.

BTW, I agree, they are just fish.

[Sportsman]

I tend to use the lightest tackle that I feel is prudent, dependant upon the circumstances.

I fell that when playing a fish the harder you pull the harder they pull back so trying to horse them in leads to a violent reaction whilst gently guiding them in takes a little longer but means they don't exert themselves so much and so are less exhausted.

Who is most likely to be out of breath, someone who has just done a 400m flat out sprint or an 800m gentle jog?

[Worms]

I tend to use the lightest tackle that I feel is prudent, dependant upon the circumstances.

I fell that when playing a fish the harder you pull the harder they pull back so trying to horse them in leads to a violent reaction whilst gently guiding them in takes a little longer but means they don't exert themselves so much and so are less exhausted.

Who is most likely to be out of breath, someone who has just done a 400m flat out sprint or an 800m gentle jog?

Not only common sense but scientifically sensible as well!

[Phone]

Worms,

 

Now I don't care how you fish - mox-nix. But when you try to bs a bs'er it becomes a matter of honor.

 

muscle fatigue vs muscle exhaustion is "studied" on fish farms. They want fish to eat and gain weight, quickly. Muscles are important to fish farmers.

Muscle Fatigue is short-term decline in the ability of a muscle to generate force.

Another way to describe muscle fatigue is as the short-term inability to continue to repeat muscular contractions with the same force (i.e. when the same or greater effort seems to result in output of lower mechanical force).

 

Muscle Exhaustion - when exercise continues through muscle fatigue after time it can lead to muscle exhaustion.

 

Don't break your arm patting Sportsman and yourself on the back. You're not doing the fish any favors. Since the don't have any (adp or apd or a?? - some chemical - I forget?) they don't have significantly different "short snap" and "long snap" muscles. (at least the the food fish industry can't detect any and the fish ain't talkin')

 

Once we "stick 'um" anglers kill 'em either quick or we stretch it out - but scientifially we "don't help" using either retrieve method.

 

Phone

With some fish species you would "win" IMO and some you would "loose" IMO. For example, mouth texture some fish lend them to 'ripped lips' (i.e. papermouth crappie). But others, especially cold water species in warmer water (most trout), can't tolorate exhaustion well.

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Edited July 20, 2012 by Phone

[Worms]

Worms,

 

Now I don't care how you fish - mox-nix. But when you try to bs a bs'er it becomes a matter of honor.

 

muscle fatigue vs muscle exhaustion is "studied" on fish farms. They want fish to eat and gain weight, quickly. Muscles are important to fish farmers.

Muscle Fatigue is short-term decline in the ability of a muscle to generate force.

Another way to describe muscle fatigue is as the short-term inability to continue to repeat muscular contractions with the same force (i.e. when the same or greater effort seems to result in output of lower mechanical force).

 

Muscle Exhaustion - when exercise continues through muscle fatigue after time it can lead to muscle exhaustion.

 

Don't break your arm patting Sportsman and yourself on the back. You're not doing the fish any favors. Since the don't have any (adp or apd or a?? - some chemical - I forget?) they don't have significantly different "short snap" and "long snap" muscles. (at least the the food fish industry can't detect any and the fish ain't talkin')

 

Once we "stick 'um" anglers kill 'em either quick or we stretch it out - but scientifially we "don't help" using either retrieve method.

 

Phone

With some fish species you would "win" IMO and some you would "loose" IMO. For example, mouth texture some fish lend them to 'ripped lips' (i.e. papermouth crappie). But others, especially cold water species in warmer water (most trout), can't tolorate exhaustion well.

edit: sp

Sory Phone, don't agree with your opinion. Here's just one of many papers explaining muscle type and lactate production. Last paragraph of p213 is clear and succinct!

[Phone]

Worms,

 

Your paper confirms what I suggested? I didn't mean to imply that fishes didn't have "different" muscles. I mean to imply that under stress they exert "maximum defensive force" either for 1 minute or for 10 minutes.They are not available independently on demand in fishes. You'll note they have no "chemical" (I forget the compounds - a??) that can kick in a second gear or "choice". Fatigue/exhaustion, as your paper shows, have no benefit one over the other. In fact, if I read it correctly "exhaustion" (your way) may be more harmful. Since "time" where it would be important is not relevant in that paper you would have to extrapolate a conclusion. I think killing fish with love and compashion still leaves us with a dead fish.

 

It (that paper) is interesting to me (and I hadn't seen it) that common carp and only common carp to my knowledge aquire much if not most of the trigger components from naturally occuring chitin. Chitin is the eqalivant of a non-essential amino acid for healthy carp.

 

Phone

[barry luxton]

Eaisest way to cut through the mustle and exaustion i can 'p' higer than you cr@p, is to have a nice long wobbly rod that acts like a spring along with a decent clutch that can be set right to allow the rod to do it's job. Thats called angling. As for those ripper guys who only see pound notes extrapolated, they are just catching and there is certainly no sceience attached.

 

 

And as for winding us up with your lovely reverance kissy kissy dead fish phone, would those ripping screen stars exert the same sort of affection to say the pig as they cut it up to use in a bacon sarnie, i think not, or do they.