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Well we would have to have the same mentality of the Germans for that to happen, and happily I can say that we are indeed poles apart in that respect.

i can not imagine the Green Party ever having the sway over our political scene, if that was ever to be the case I would happily pack my bags and live in Spain, desperate measures indeed :D

if you had a case of a council of 11 seats,5 going to the conservatives,5 to labour,and a green party holding a deciding seat.

and promising to support the side that gave it what it wanted.........do you see them saying no?

green parties are becoming more influential,i have no doubt on that.

dont forget,they dont need to be in a majority to get what they want.

i dont understand the comment about "same mentality as the germans",they enjoy their fishing as much as anyone.

i should imagine they are quite upset about their match fishing being banned for instance.

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the green party are already bending ears to their wishes you can be assured ,you dont have to be a big organisation just very persuasive ;)

if angling had been a totally rural sport it would already be under threat because labour detests and cannot understand the countryside ,had not their fathers and forefathers probably fished down the local canal or pond then it would go the same way as fox hunting.

labour see's anyone living in the country a "land owner" land owners lived in big houses and owned mines and mills and gave their employees a hard time!! those employees formed unions the roots of the labour party so labour hates the country side because their roots are basically those from towns ignoring the fact quite a few were built by those hated landowners.

you can tell the labour hardliners when you saw fat duputy pm playing croquet on the lawn lording it up !it looked like an american film representation of the landed gentry all it needed was a couple of pearly kings and queens and it would be mary poppins :rolleyes:

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No not true, handling of fish has never been better, I find it strange that you should question what I say regarding releasing game fish, undeniably more game fish are lost in this way. feel free to debate anything with me Sportsman but please can we not ignore facts ?

 

What facts are these.?

I release all salmon and trout that I catch and they return perfectly well. Can you supply me with any facts to the contrary?

 

Regarding the handling of coarse fish, have you ever seen John Wilson ( drop it three times, hold it up for ages to get photos and then say "let's put it back straight away") If I did that at a trout fishery I would be banned immediately.

Matt Hayes holding a flapping carp by laying on it to subdue it (fish have slime for a reason, and rubbing it off on the front of your coat does them no good)

These guys are role models :o

As you know I have been getting back into coarse fishing this year, after years of practicing C&R on trout fisheries ( I don't like the taste of trout and I only ever take what I eat) and what I have seen on coarse fisheries would not be tolerated on trout fisheries. Why do you need so many photos of your fish. It must only be to show off to your mates down the pub. You don't need them yourself as you have the memory, so they can only be to prove what a clever little angler you are.

Don't get me started about keep nets :angry: .

Good catch and release practices ? don't make me laugh. <_< Fish handling on many coarse fisheries in this country varies from appalling to abysmal.

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with 3000 new laws and not being lawyers to know what they are were probably all breaking a law down the line somewhere

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-40...es-ass-law.html

and definitely far more under the terrorism cloak since i bet

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Believe NOTHING anyones says or writes unless you witness it yourself and even then your eyes can deceive you

 

There is only one opinion i listen to ,its mine and its ALWAYS right even when its wrong

 

Its far easier to curse the darkness than light one candle

 

Mathew 4:19

Grangers law : anything i say will  turn out the opposite or not happen at all!

 

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson

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Really? i think not, don't know where you get you data from , but I bet the non angling public would be pretty alarmed if we were to be seen to be clubbing to death a 30 lb carp,or a 10lb barbel. Even barbel can be re-caught in the same session which rather suggests they do not suffer too much trauma from being caught and returned. i think there might be an argument for not returning trout and salmon but not coarse fish.
That is Rabbit's favourite logical fallacy, the strawman argument. He has no evidence to back up his opposition to my point, so he creates an exaggerated effigy of my argument, which nobody would support, but it won't wash with me.

 

Brown trout return just fine Rabbit.

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That is Rabbit's favourite logical fallacy, the strawman argument. He has no evidence to back up his opposition to my point, so he creates an exaggerated effigy of my argument, which nobody would support, but it won't wash with me.

 

Brown trout return just fine Rabbit.

 

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What facts are these.?

I release all salmon and trout that I catch and they return perfectly well. Can you supply me with any facts to the contrary?

 

Regarding the handling of coarse fish, have you ever seen John Wilson ( drop it three times, hold it up for ages to get photos and then say "let's put it back straight away") If I did that at a trout fishery I would be banned immediately.

Matt Hayes holding a flapping carp by laying on it to subdue it (fish have slime for a reason, and rubbing it off on the front of your coat does them no good)

These guys are role models :o

As you know I have been getting back into coarse fishing this year, after years of practicing C&R on trout fisheries ( I don't like the taste of trout and I only ever take what I eat) and what I have seen on coarse fisheries would not be tolerated on trout fisheries. Why do you need so many photos of your fish. It must only be to show off to your mates down the pub. You don't need them yourself as you have the memory, so they can only be to prove what a clever little angler you are.

Don't get me started about keep nets :angry: .

Good catch and release practices ? don't make me laugh. <_< Fish handling on many coarse fisheries in this country varies from appalling to abysmal.

A bit harsh I think on JW and Matt Hayes, Angling has come a long way from the old days of 100b bream bags being photographed, although only last year Birmingham AA were happy to use such a shot to promote a river near me.

Personally I rarely take shots of my fish and if I do they are retained in the net. I think with respect you might be a bit out of touch with the ethos of fish handling and trophy shots. i cannot think of an angler that would put the photograph before the welfare of the fish, for this purpose I am refering to barbel, carp are a lot more robust and can be kept out of the water for longer periods.

in that the photos are published on 'specialist' sites any lapse would be spotted and pointed out. Correct handling of fish is a bit of an obsession with modern anglers I am pleased to say.

We just need some other branches of our sport to follow suit such as match fishing.

Perhaps things are a bit different up there, I suppose the tradition is to catch for the pot, and fish generally are not held in such high regard as a valuable resource as we do down here.

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Voluntary catch & release is the single most important conservation contribution that individual salmon anglers can make to the protection of future salmon stocks.

 

According to a recent report1 by the Fisheries Research Services, ‘catch and release’ of Atlantic salmon is now a generally accepted practice, and an increasing trend, and the current release level is a valuable contribution to the conservation of all stock components.

 

Fisheries Trusts and proprietors have encouraged the practice of catch and release as a means of increasing the number of potential spawners and protecting the resource.’

 

1. Catch Form 2005, FW09/09/05, FRS Freshwater Laboratory, Montrose.

 

There is plenty of similar evidence around to support the notion that game fish do in fact cope well enough with being caught and released. Emphirical research has shown improvements when the policy has been implimented. This is evidence from those scientists, fishery managers and anglers who live close to their passion, the fish.

 

I was first intoduced to fishing on a salmon and trout river, and was casting my first cane fly rod at 7 years old. It was easy with wet flies to catch lots of salmon an trout parr, 3 at a time was not uncommon, one on the point and two on the droppers. We were told NEVER to handle these imature fish with dry hands. the best way to unhook them is to simply hold the hook shank and the fish's own wriggling generally frees it. If not then one would gently unhook it with wetted hands. These small fish would sometimes be recaught within a few minutes. We would also watch adult salmon and sea trout leaping the waterfalls where the feeder streams entered the main river, marvelling at how they survived falling back hard onto rocks. It takes s tough creature to swim all the way from the Icelandic feeding grounds and get back to its birthplace in a spawning beck high in the fells, and they do even after being caught and released, tagged fish provide evidence to this.

 

Apart from perch and pike in the lakes, I had never seen coarse fishing until I moved away to train in my teens, and the sight of anglers swinging into 'dry' hands small roach made me cringe. Later when I took up mach fishing I always kept a wet towel by me to wet my hands with, and with small fish used the 'holding shank' method of unhooking them straight into the keepnet, so most were never even handled. (and they were unhooked quickly).

 

Perhaps the differences some of us have surrounding the 'eat/not eat debate is the type of water in which we fish. I can understand the dismay anglers who fish small commercial fisheries might feel if one of the inmates of that water is topped. The better ones will be well know to the anglers, and I hear that some well know fish are even given (pet) names. There is a place like that only a couple of miles away. However I couldn't imagine going fishing there. I have fished commercial trout fisheries, but seeing rearing ponds and release pens is such a turn off. I know that I'm lucky enough to not to have to be closer than 200yards to another angler (In most sessions i dont see anyone else), other than companions of choice.

Rabbit, you have lots of opinions, clearly based upon your own world view, one which sees many of us here as not proper anglers and mind blowingly stupid. I read lots in here from people who seem to be very experienced in different areas od angling, not at all stupid and perhaps more importantly point out that everyone does dont see the world through the same lens.

 

I'm not sure how you see us so very different from Germans, as far as fishing goes anyway, I was a member of a German club , A.V.Kiestiech, Berlin Spandau, the only difference I found, apart from the language of coure was that they were better pole anglers than the last British club I was in.


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A bit harsh I think on JW and Matt Hayes, Angling has come a long way from the old days of 100b bream bags being photographed, although only last year Birmingham AA were happy to use such a shot to promote a river near me.

Personally I rarely take shots of my fish and if I do they are retained in the net. I think with respect you might be a bit out of touch with the ethos of fish handling and trophy shots. i cannot think of an angler that would put the photograph before the welfare of the fish, for this purpose I am refering to barbel, carp are a lot more robust and can be kept out of the water for longer periods.

in that the photos are published on 'specialist' sites any lapse would be spotted and pointed out. Correct handling of fish is a bit of an obsession with modern anglers I am pleased to say.

We just need some other branches of our sport to follow suit such as match fishing.

Perhaps things are a bit different up there, I suppose the tradition is to catch for the pot, and fish generally are not held in such high regard as a valuable resource as we do down here.

 

A bit harsh? Don't you watch fishing programs?.

As for out of touch I can tell you what I saw yesterday on a commercial carp fishery. 80% of the anglers using keep nets. These were pleasure anglers, not match fishermen. keep nets would not be allowed under any circumstance on a trout fishery where fish were to be released.

Fish were swung out to dry hands. (I recently watched those two cretins on Day Ticket and wanted to punch there lights out at their total ineptitude in fish handling. Watching the stupid little one, as opposed to the stupid big one, juggling a grayling with dry hands made me want to spit)

Fish were held up to be photographed, and dropped (why would anyone want a photograph of a 3lb F1?)

Fish were dropped (flung?) into keep nets

Landing nets with fish in were laid onto sandy soil.

And on and on.

This link is to a forum based in the N.E. of Scotland and shows that contrary to your opinion, fish are held in high regard up here.

http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=768.0

Its a sticky at the top of the page.

Some people might find it interesting, it might even jolt them out of their complacency ;)


Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be.

 

 

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity

 

 

 

http://www.safetypublishing.co.uk/
http://www.safetypublishing.ie/

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Perhaps things are a bit different up there, I suppose the tradition is to catch for the pot, and fish generally are not held in such high regard as a valuable resource as we do down here.

 

Little wonder you are not taken seriously, that comment just tops a lot of others displaying a painfully narrow outlook towards fishing specifically and people generally.


"Some people hear their inner voices with such clarity that they live by what they hear, such people go crazy, but they become legends"

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