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Blimey, what test are your barbel rods Anthony ? If they can't stop a tench in it's tracks then they'd be useless for the barbel in the rivers near me.

They are 1.75lb tc but have a very through action which, although brilliant for playing fish under your feet, are not great for stearing fish away from snags at distance. I use them for all my tench and barbel fishing and they're superb rods but just did not have the backbone to stop the tench from getting to the snags in open water when fishing at 50 yards at Wingham.

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For what it is worth, "my mate Ted" uses 18" hook lengths and puts a bit of soluble PVA foam to the hook. This settles slowly after the weight lands and so the bait settles slowly on the weed/silt.

A little advise re the amount of weed.   Have you ever been out on one of those days where its cloudy/showery but the sun keeps coming through.   You look around and all you can see is cloud. But

Hi steve good luck with the op mate. I would love to be on the list for the weekend.

Hi Steve, any information you can share on pro clear? It's one I'm considering now Catana is discontinued, tackle box line tests have it as understated with the 0.29mm 12lb stated breaking at closer to 15lb.

 

Unlike its stablemate Pro Clear the breaking strain is understated.

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Another good/tough line is Fox soft Steel and Fox Camo, I use them when ledgering on the river and they've been spot on.

 

I use both as my main lines for Wingham in 10lb and 12lb and found them up to the job.

Stephen

 

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I say pretty much the same thing every year - location and fishing accurately is top of the list (and there are always people there who can give solid advice if you want it), and fish however suits you best. You don't need to go out of your comfort zone, whatever that may be.

 

A very safe default is a running maggot feeder using stout gear. That will catch whatever is in front of you, from the perch and eels to the tench and bream. If the eels are a pain after dark, change to a non-animal bait.

 

If other people are catching and you're not, try fishing different spots. The feeding areas can be very localised, and you may just be in slightly the wrong spot.

Yes. I think some swims have quite big areas to put a bait but some very very small. I remember spending 6 hours ( yes SIX) totally plumbing one swim. I found a patch no more than 2ft square and gave it a go and it produced very well until the weed moved in and i just could not get the bait down.There is a superb silt area but you really have to be casting to the moon to get there and its a catch 22 as you need the weight but to heavy it sinks into the silt.....I better stop there :)


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Hi Steve, any information you can share on pro clear? It's one I'm considering now Catana is discontinued, tackle box line tests have it as understated with the 0.29mm 12lb stated breaking at closer to 15lb.

 

I believe the Tackle Box tests are based on dry breaking strain whereas Jim Gibbinson's were based on wet braking strain that's of course more accurate. Different lines lose a different amount of strength when wet. BTW, there seems to be an anomaly in the Tackle Box tests as they give almost no difference in strength between 8 and 10lb Pro Gold.

 

I've used Pro Clear in 16lb b.s. for which I found it excellent. I see no reason that the 12lb b.s. wouldn't be suitable for Wingham.

 

I remember talking at length some years ago to Rob Eustace at Gold Label, the importers of Pro Clear and Pro Gold about the differences between the two. Unfortunately I can't remember what they were! I do recall though Rob recommended Pro Gold for what I wanted for tench fishing at Wingham. Somewhere on my old computer I've got some notes on the conversation. However I've found this on their web site:

"Pro Clear is a reduced diameter line, this means it will out-cast Pro

Gold (and other lines) of the same rating. However, when we reduce the

diameter of a line it reduces the abrasion resistance by a greater

ratio - roughly speaking, take away 10% of diameter and you reduce

abrasion resistance by 20%+ due to the ammount of 'body' gone from the

line. In order to give a bit more of a buffer we have increased the

anti-abrasion properties of the Pro Clear so that if the distance

caster encounters snags weed and gravel etc, not all is lost as it

would be with some line (no I won't mention

names!)

To sum up - in exact diameter comparisons (not breaking strain) Pro

Clear is more abrasion resistant.

 

But now I'm going to complicate things a bit! Pro Gold (and the new

Pro

Tough) have greater shock absorbancy than Pro Clear, so they will

absorb lunges under the rod tip a little better.

 

Here's how I spool my reels -

 

Ultra distance / clear water (no snags) - 12lb Pro Clear

Long distance / weed and gravel 16lb Pro Clear

 

Heavy snags/weed/gravel 15lb Pro Gold / 20lb Pro

Clear

Snags at distance 12lb Pro Gold

 

If you do want to use Pro Clear for snag fishing, just chose a

breaking strain up from your normal - if you use 15lb line, go for

20lb Pro Clear - it will still cast better, but also give you an edge landing fish."

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From what I can remember Pro Clear is a somewhat pre-stretched line. It's therefore thinner for a given breaking strain so will cast further. The downside is that it has less shock absorption so it's not so good at playing fish under the rod tip.

 

Either would be a good choice at Wingham, my own being Pro Gold as I don't fish at long range. However I wouldn't want to go lower than 8lb in Pro Gold, 10lb in Pro Clear.

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Just a quick one. Im afraid Im not going to be able to loan out any beds,bivvies,tackle this year as a lot is packed away due to us moving. Sorry about this guys.

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And thats my "non indicative opinion"!

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Can I just put in my two pennorth regarding line and recommend a line I have been using for a couple of years now.

It's a cheap as chips, thinner than most (the 16lb is the same dia as Sensor 12lb) and I landed a 100lb cat from a very weedy lake on the 14lb so it works.

It casts well and seem to be abrasion resistant.

 

http://www.sakuma.co.uk/p/237/sakuma-lite-grey-crystal-4oz

 

It also comes in other colours

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