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I bet you wished you had slapped his face, kicked his rear and flung the little turd in the water...lol... ;)

 

Precisely! and thats why I like at least half a mile between me an the nearest human (close fishing companions excepted)'

 

It was like that when I fished a midlands canal a few weeks ago, quite a busy spot and endless questions, 'caught anything', I did keep my patience to an extent twice showing my net of tiddlers to groups of young lads, then I upset by ignoring an especially loud man who insisted upon gollering from the other bank, inquiring 'what I had caught, what bait was I using, where did I come from etc. Perhaps some see the angler as not so much a person but an object to be examined...another good reason for not even bothering going fishing unless it can be conducted in peace.

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I don't see any problem with younguns wanting big fish. I wanted bigger a harder fighting fish right from the word go back in 1948. OK, so I fished for little fish, but always hoped for a bigger one, and as my knowledge of better waters increased, I moved on to them.

 

Now the kids don't have to go through all that "learning curve", they can go straight to a lake and fish for big fish without any need to know how to catch tiddlers. Where is the use in knowing how to scratch a few little fish out? Did my ability to catch 50 or more little roach help me to catch big roach? Or carp..or Barbel?

 

The complex I fish has a match lake, plenty of silver fish and a pretty good head of carp to double figures. It is day ticket and so available to the local kids to learn on. Are they interested in the silver fish? not a bit of it, they want something that pulls a bit, weighs a bit, and makes them "feel good"

 

From my own point of view, I think it is anglers who profess to hate carp (big fish) that are the oddballs, not the ones who want to fulfill every normal anglers dream of stretching out his arms and saying "it was that big"

 

Leave the kids alone. calm down a bit, accept that other anglers may want to share your bit of water, and be pleased that they are interested enough to ask whether you have caught anything.

 

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Emma, I can assure you that my local water is NOT heavily managed, in fact the only things seen to be done is new disabled staging, cutting back on some of the undergrowth andthe addition of a oxygenator for the fishes sake.

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I was fishing the Avon at Stratford yesterday, I was catching bleak for live bait when a young lad about 7 or 8 came up and asked what I had caught, I showed him my live bait and he laughed, he said what do you call those they are tiny, I am and expert fisherman and I can catch big carp. Why waste your time catching those if you go to the carp lake that my dad knows you can catch big fish.

 

I tried to explain that these were live bait but he didn’t get it and basically laughed at me. I did feel a little sad but I guess most kids only know carp lakes; I worry for the future of our sport.

I myself feel sorry for these kids.When i was younger all we had to go at was the Lancaster Canal,river lune and a couple of farm ponds dotted here and there.I never really caught alot in those days but they were my happiest.To this day the smell of freshly spread muck on a farmers field reminds me of the times i waited eagerly for the tench to start feeding at dawn.What do the young uns have now,the smell of burgers and fried onions coming from some bankside greasy spoon.I did eventually join the carp fishing craze though and it happened after one night when i found myself being the only lunatic on the lake,sat bolt upright on my basket,staring bleary eyed at an isotope float while everybody else were tucked up in their bivvies waiting for their alarms to sound.I don't do many long carp sessions anymore though,i feel life's too short and i can't stand commercials,they just don,t seem to have any atmosphere.I seem to be at my happiest looking at my onion float surrounded by tench bubbles next to the lillies at dawn and with nobody on the lake but me.The new breed of carp kids are missing out big time.

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Emma, I can assure you that my local water is NOT heavily managed, in fact the only things seen to be done is new disabled staging, cutting back on some of the undergrowth andthe addition of a oxygenator for the fishes sake.

 

That sounds defensive, and there is no need. I don't know your water and it matters not. My point was that I wouldn't want to fish a water where anglers sit in an inward facing circle catching fish which have been put there by people for other people to catch, perhaps yours isnt like that. I don't however, judge those who do, anymore that I would say someone is wrong to enjoy dancing, 10 pin bowling, archery or any one of dozens of harmless pastimes which people engage in. Its great that there are places like that which cater for disabled people, it's just not for me after being fortunate enough to have been fit for most of my life.

 

The post about my son and his carp fishing was of course a bit of fun, but it's true the local carp place is a dug out hole which has been stocked with carp as a business venture.

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That sounds defensive, and there is no need. I don't know your water and it matters not. My point was that I wouldn't want to fish a water where anglers sit in an inward facing circle catching fish which have been put there by people for other people to catch, perhaps yours isnt like that. I don't however, judge those who do, anymore that I would say someone is wrong to enjoy dancing, 10 pin bowling, archery or any one of dozens of harmless pastimes which people engage in. Its great that there are places like that which cater for disabled people, it's just not for me after being fortunate enough to have been fit for most of my life.

 

The post about my son and his carp fishing was of course a bit of fun, but it's true the local carp place is a dug out hole which has been stocked with carp as a business venture.

 

But you are judging :rolleyes:

It may not fit your ideal. fishing commercials, not mine either, but they do have a place in Angling. Some folk like their fishing to be convenient, and some are just not able to slither down wet banks Truth is carp fishing has advanced angling a great deal, has provided better quality rod blanks reels and al the rest, could be it has also improve your little niche angling requirement.?

You say it was all good fun but went on to describe a dug out hole and run as a business venture. which in itself rather pours scorn the folk who fish these places, which sounds to me to be a bit of a elitist rant.......... again :)

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Precisely! and thats why I like at least half a mile between me an the nearest human (close fishing companions excepted)'

 

It was like that when I fished a midlands canal a few weeks ago, quite a busy spot and endless questions, 'caught anything', I did keep my patience to an extent twice showing my net of tiddlers to groups of young lads, then I upset by ignoring an especially loud man who insisted upon gollering from the other bank, inquiring 'what I had caught, what bait was I using, where did I come from etc. Perhaps some see the angler as not so much a person but an object to be examined...another good reason for not even bothering going fishing unless it can be conducted in peace.

 

WE call it socialising down 'ere

 

You fished a CANAL what did you expect Toffs in a Punt? :D

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WE call it socialising down 'ere

 

You fished a CANAL what did you expect Toffs in a Punt? :D

 

No, but It would be nice to see decent good manners even from those who dont fall into the 'toff' category. Not an uncouth loudmouth who even made the other people who were quietly sitting enjoying the peace if the evening cringe, especially at his foul language when I chose not to goller back across the canal to him.

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But you are judging :rolleyes:

It may not fit your ideal. fishing commercials, not mine either, but they do have a place in Angling. Some folk like their fishing to be convenient, and some are just not able to slither down wet banks Truth is carp fishing has advanced angling a great deal, has provided better quality rod blanks reels and al the rest, could be it has also improve your little niche angling requirement.?

You say it was all good fun but went on to describe a dug out hole and run as a business venture. which in itself rather pours scorn the folk who fish these places, which sounds to me to be a bit of a elitist rant.......... again :)

 

You seem to have some sort of axe to grind?

If my not choosing to go on commercial waters anymore makes me in your view a ranting elitist, then so be it. However, in defence to your patronising (my little niche ?) rudeness, I would like to invite you to atually read what I wrote instead of creating an argument out of something that you think I have written. (again) Debating is an art, it requires an ability to present ones case logically, and to support that case with evidence.

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I always try and keep a balance with Liam, his father will take him after big fish and I take him to a small local lake with his pole so he can catch a tiddler each cast or trot a float on the river.

 

Our club has 400/500 junior members and I struggle to get 10 of them away from carp fishing to spend a day on the river barbel fishing, I know all the ones that do come get the river 'bug' so I am hoping that the same will happen next month.

 

I blame the mags as they seem to promote catching big fish unless they have changed since I last bought one some years ago!!!

 

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