Korda to save fishing

[Dave H]

Bring back Johnny boy. A master in handling a fish . I remember him at OBH once out catching Tench as he stood up he trod on his rod while playing a fish. oh the days before the guzzle fish came along.

Budgie , i am sure you will enjoy this pike master class...

 

[Dick Dastardly]

If he ended up with a Lake in every county I'd be amazed.

 

Budgie, out of interest what was your reply to his mates comments about the Coarse Lake at Wingham?

 

Afraid my reply is unprintable! Normally I would have gone into full "lecture" mode and pointed out the basic principles of good fishery management and cited examples etc, would have probably stopped short at actually telling him about the size that some of the few Carp in the course lake actually go to but simply decided it was pointless continuing the conversation as frankly I wasn't interested in him or he interested in me, my views or anything I had to bring to the discussion as he knew it all any way! Im turning into a miserable very unsociable (when it comes to angling) old fart Im afraid! (in fact taking a leaf out of my life long angling hero's book! eh Den )

 

In all fairness though I wonder how many times people (as in "known"/ "celebrity" anglers) actually get "bad press" thanks to their "friends" actions rather than what they have actually done them selves? As in this case Mr F coping the back lash at my displeasure about his "mates" attitude/comments? Quite a lot I wouldn't mind betting.

Edited May 2, 2014 by Dick Dastardly

[Dick Dastardly]

Thanks Dave made me chuckle! Allways been a favourite JW moment of mine. Always liked the guys (Ive always presumed his film crew?) laughing in the back ground! The guys had a lot of stick over the years but Ive allways thought the fact this was shown is testament to his sense of humour and that he don't really take himself to seriously at all! Yes we had Jack Hargreaves,Terry Thomas and Jack Charlton before him but undoubtedly the accolade of "Mr TV Angling" has to go to Wilson. Despite the heavy panning from anglers it was the style of the Go Fishing programmes (ie the looking at the flowers, local places of interest etc etc as well as the fishing action) that appealed to the wider public and as such opened the door for more TV fishing. People nocked it (anglers) but I wonder what they now prefer, the hardcore, technical, product promotion type stuff (such as Thinking Tackle) or Wilsons old style? either way without him blazing the way the modern stuff would never have made main screen viewing.

[RUDD]

A noble idea, would have been better if ALL fish came under the umbrella.

Will it work? Very doubtful. Otter fencing cannot be put up here there and everywhere.

Public footpaths, bridal ways, RUPs, SSI's, bye laws, possible planning consents and round my way the deer knock fencing down as a hobby!

Non profit making? Any club has to make a profit to cover running costs - the club benefits from the profit.

If you ask me this is one of the best marketing ploys devised by an angling equipment manufacturer yet.

How many Carpers are going to want to be seen as part of the Korda( such and such county) syndicate - loads I suspect. Will all the waters be affiliated, have same rules, stocking policy etc? One thinks not, they will be just like syndicates we have now, nudge nudge wink wink with blooming great Korea advertising everywhere.

[wunnus]

Fences...damn right...but not good enough.

 

What about the roof?...we need protection there as well.. Net the bugger in ...only another few thousand to put a cable between the pylons and then a decent mesh to keep cormorants and immigrants out. Put in a timer/movement sensor and electrify it.

 

Get some serious measure in to stop the little Bs undermining the fence, ditches, submerged mesh. On the H&S front will need to ensure that this is seriously signed up and probably a clause on the day permit about no sudden moves etc to prevent accidents with any trigger happy bailiffs (sorry Chesters excluded there). We must expect robust counter measures from the enemy so a further phase of digging out shelters should be expected.

 

I suspect that tests are already underway to see if pics of John Wilson will have some impact on deterring any of these threats. I even have a sneaky suspicion that there is a possibility of trip wires setting off a Johnno laugh alarm! 'Nuff said...

[Dave H]

I think that's a fair reply Andy. I can understand why Den has moaned as it does seem to be the in thing to nock Mr Fairbrass ,his crew,company and its products. However is people have got a genuine reason to do so then that's equally fine in my book. Like I said though for me its pretty irellevant if his motives are well meant or not I would be worried about ANY person who wanted to take over the control of waters en block and turn them into a single species venue regardless of what that species was! What happened to the days when anglers could "share" waters and run them for the general good of angling? and in my book angling means all fish and all anglers.

 

Ive seen it on both sides! First the match anglers had control (as in general they were in the majority,well kind of as all though there was allways more general/"pleasure" anglers the matchmen were the biggest "united"/ represented group) they insisted on having every thing and running it to suit their own needs (note NOT running it well but running it to THEIR needs) Carp/Specimen hunters got a pretty raw deal. Now the Carper is in the majority and we se the same ie everything has to be their way and for their benefit! Weve simply just exchanged selfish (short sighted) control freaks who wanted cannalised banks and flat pegs every 15m, all predators killed,all carp removed because when hooked by accident they took to long to land in a match,and tons of small silver fish put in to selfish (short sighted) control freaks who want enourmous flat gravelled/wood barked swims every 25m, all predators removed/shot/killed, all non Carp removed as they are a nucence and tons of the fattest bloated Mudpigs possible stocked! So weve got no where!

 

Mark my words in Mr Fairbrass had been born 30 years earlier he wopuld have been a hardcore match angler and running a campaign to turn every "fallow water" into a match lake! Why cant people just enjoy and respect all forms of angling? surely the variety of it is what keeps people in the game long term? (our Den being a perfect example of this) All this "specialisation" just leads to a very blinkered approach.

 

Again as Mr Fairbrass has proved he knows his onions I think its quite frightening that such a capable man is behind this move (again regardless of motives). Simply as he would be more than capable of making this happen.

 

Andy's "so who decides what a fallow lake" comment is very pertinent. We've sadly seen the loss of many other good non carp waters as they've been "turned" into specialist carp waters (same as in the "match days" we saw great specimen/predator venues trashed) How many of the waters that non carpers (I use that term but accept that there are many ,like my self and Den who fish for carp as just another of the many species) love will be deemed as "fallow" simply because they aint already carp waters but would be good ones?

 

Not Mr Fairbrass himself admittedly but one of his business associates/friends/gang told me once (and recently) that Wingham Coarse lake was "a waste" as it would make a great carp water....I ask all of you who have fished it /are be going to have a crack at it this month to tell me if its a "waste" or not! (yes I know its a bit different but Im just trying to give an example of what so many "carpers" would regard as "wasted" water) I actually think its quite a good carp water as it is!

 

Again why cant we have a balance/a mixture which then allows people both variety and choice? all this "saviour scheme" will do is eat away at that variety and choice.

 

Like the whole commercial issue I have NO PROBLEM with people taking on run down, poorly managed, understocked waters and turning them into fisheries (and to a degree would even be happy if they were single species waters as although I don't think these make for the best fisheries and again its sad they are so narrowly focussed BUT better than a stagnant over run empty pond) But the issue is these "deserving waters" wont be taken over/developed it will be ready established (but non carp orientated ones) that are.

 

Den you commented on the daft name calling and seemingly "Korda Bashing" but didn't say a lot about the actual proposed plans? be interested in your views on my genuine concerns. Would you as an Allrounder like to see a bit more variation? a bit more "angling unity" or do you think those days have gone and anglings only future is the way of carp? A genuine question as I respect your experience and do worry myself that even though I don't personally like it the modern carp scene (where practically every angler you meet is a carp angler) is the closest angling has ever actually been to being "united"?

I was trying to find out what Fairbrass had said about Wingham . So being a forum i shall chuck my tuppence in

The importance and almost fanatical obsession of catching Carp amazes me. I am going to enlarge my head here but even someone who is half a good angler can catch one even on reasonably hard water (that expression ‘hard’ for the species makes me titter) on a bait if they target them especially

. On my local water the boys catch 20’s and even early 30’s with their eyes shut and catch them on any method and most have got the cheapest bite alarm bought in a boot fair and diawa sensor line).

Why does Danny make it such a big deal with fancy rigs with childish names like out of something like a Harry Potter movie but he is far from alone? The lines used with camo and transparent and all this i have tried in 3 years returning and it makes no difference especially at Wingham. You could say how would i know well it’s because take a water like OBH i have fished for 45 years and it makes not a blind bit of difference what fancy line i use i still catch on the same tackle from when i was 9 and that’s a day ticket that has seen it all that is chucked at them. Go out buy diawa sensor line and be done with it. I think now the excitement has been drawn away from catching fish especially carp into more interest in what rig, line, bite indicator you use. I had to buy stuff when i came back into fishing so what did i get fancy line expensive rods, no i bought a system that has a tiny weight on a pole that flips back like something out of a iron mongers but it is still the best indicator i have ever used but me being a clumsy oaf either packed it badly or sit on it or use it as a stirring pole to use in my hotpot on the bank side so ruining them. (Yes what an idiot but that’s me. Then the funniest of all...Camo clothing ‘OMG’ what is that all about? Green to blend in with the countryside i understand but Camo it's unusual i am lost for words but a SAS badge on a bag next to a carp badge is well say no more..LOL

 

I think Danny and others have ruined fishing for most of us. It was once regarded as a working man’s cheap have a go sport but now it’s a rich man’s middle class sport and many blame it on play stations etc but the likes of carp syndicates and fairbrass are just as much to blame. He has ripped it away from the magical side and more onto size of fish knowing what species it is and making out you need all this expensive gear to catch them. Come on they are just freshwater cod and they should be served in batter with chips a slice of lemon and a pickled egg!

[Andy Macfarlane]

SAVE THE RUDD!!

 

Seriously though, I've been through the majority of species found in Scotland and as much as I enjoy the odd crack at carp, I still find the most pleasure tackling brown trout, perch, roach, rudd, tench and even get a proper buzz when I bank a bullhead. Clearly size has nothing to do with it or I'd have stuck firmly in the pikers camp. I don't need to prove to myself that I can catch big fish and I'm not a numbers man either. I go fishing for variety, therapy, nature, peace and quiet and a good blether with my mates.

 

I just cannot understand anyone with such a single-minded view of what fishing is all about. To me, Danny Fairbrass has turned his pursuit into a science and that is entirely missing the point if you ask me. Fishing should be a leisure activity, first and foremost. When it becomes all-consuming and as technically intricate and he makes it out to be, I fear it only leads to a single conclusion and that is disappointment. There's no doubt that he's a good carp-angler but I can't help feeling that he's going down a path that few wish to accompany him on.

 

Korda make some nice kit but when I watch a Korda video, I cannot help but feel I'm being spoken to like I'm the one who's missing out because I don't have all this essential kit or inside knowledge and for those reasons I can't help but dislike what I'm seeing. I get this feeling that what I'm being asked of will always be just beyond my reach or my bank account and for what, carp and that's it? You can have it pal. I'm going down the river.

 

If you watch almost all of the likeable TV anglers like John Wilson, Matt Hayes etc. you got a sense that you too could replicate what they were doing. Touch-legering with a loaf, waggler fishing for roach, wobbling a sprat and so on. If you watch Passion For Angling, it was as much about the photography as it was about the fishing. Off the top of my head, I can't remember much about the dialogue but I can easily picture the backdrop. Autumn, leaves, mist, the first crack of sunlight and so on. Everything that fishing should be. It made you want to go fishing. I'm sorry but watching Fairbrass throwing an overworked boilie-rig into a bland stillwater with pegs round it does little in the way of inspiration. He could be anywhere and the view is about as inspirational as a car-park.

[Ken L]

All I heard was "We're going to go out looking for natural lakes, destroy the natural ecosystems, fill them full of non native fish and then fence then off so that native predators can't get to them".

This man is nothing short of an environmental terrorist.

[Dave H]

SAVE THE RUDD!!

 

Seriously though, I've been through the majority of species found in Scotland and as much as I enjoy the odd crack at carp, I still find the most pleasure tackling brown trout, perch, roach, rudd, tench and even get a proper buzz when I bank a bullhead. Clearly size has nothing to do with it or I'd have stuck firmly in the pikers camp. I don't need to prove to myself that I can catch big fish and I'm not a numbers man either. I go fishing for variety, therapy, nature, peace and quiet and a good blether with my mates.

 

I just cannot understand anyone with such a single-minded view of what fishing is all about. To me, Danny Fairbrass has turned his pursuit into a science and that is entirely missing the point if you ask me. Fishing should be a leisure activity, first and foremost. When it becomes all-consuming and as technically intricate and he makes it out to be, I fear it only leads to a single conclusion and that is disappointment. There's no doubt that he's a good carp-angler but I can't help feeling that he's going down a path that few wish to accompany him on.

 

Korda make some nice kit but when I watch a Korda video, I cannot help but feel I'm being spoken to like I'm the one who's missing out because I don't have all this essential kit or inside knowledge and for those reasons I can't help but dislike what I'm seeing. I get this feeling that what I'm being asked of will always be just beyond my reach or my bank account and for what, carp and that's it? You can have it pal. I'm going down the river.

 

If you watch almost all of the likeable TV anglers like John Wilson, Matt Hayes etc. you got a sense that you too could replicate what they were doing. Touch-legering with a loaf, waggler fishing for roach, wobbling a sprat and so on. If you watch Passion For Angling, it was as much about the photography as it was about the fishing. Off the top of my head, I can't remember much about the dialogue but I can easily picture the backdrop. Autumn, leaves, mist, the first crack of sunlight and so on. Everything that fishing should be. It made you want to go fishing. I'm sorry but watching Fairbrass throwing an overworked boilie-rig into a bland stillwater with pegs round it does little in the way of inspiration. He could be anywhere and the view is about as inspirational as a car-park.

You may want to look further back than fairbrass for the carp invasion. Maddocks for instance and a few others !

[Andy Macfarlane]

You may want to look further back than fairbrass for the carp invasion. Maddocks for instance and a few others !

 

Must I?

 

The thread's about Fairbrass and co.