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I can assure you that on some waters, I have experienced it Peter.

 

From Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schreckstoff

"Schreckstoff (German for “alarm substance”) is an alarm pheromone released by specialized skin cells when damaged in certain fish, mostly smaller schooling fish such as gobies, darters, and minnows. To be more precise, the pheromone is produced by goblet or club (Kolbenzellen) cells located in the skin. Release of the chemical occurs when mechanical injury—mostly from a bite—occurs to the fish. The actual chemistry of the pheromone is not known due to the fact that pure pheromone has not been isolated for chemical testing ........ Moreover, this system seems to be widespread throughout the Percidae family."

The whole article is worth a read.

 

Just a thought.

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From Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schreckstoff

"Schreckstoff (German for “alarm substance”) is an alarm pheromone released by specialized skin cells when damaged in certain fish, mostly smaller schooling fish such as gobies, darters, and minnows. To be more precise, the pheromone is produced by goblet or club (Kolbenzellen) cells located in the skin. Release of the chemical occurs when mechanical injury—mostly from a bite—occurs to the fish. The actual chemistry of the pheromone is not known due to the fact that pure pheromone has not been isolated for chemical testing ........ Moreover, this system seems to be widespread throughout the Percidae family."

The whole article is worth a read.

 

Just a thought.

 

Very interesting Glenn, it might explain my experiences.

 

But I categorically deny ever biting a fish before releasing it. :o:D

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I'm one of those fishery managers who allows keepnets in matches but otherwise bans them!

 

The difference is the very few matches I ever have at Wingham are closely stewarded, and so I can be certain that my fish are well cared for. On non-match days I can't, so keepnets aren't allowed then.

 

I'm not against keepnets themselves, but their improper use. The main danger comes when they're emptied incorrectly and fish get squashed. Additionally, pegging keepnets out in shallow water in the sun in this hot weather is a recipe for disaster.

 

Moving on to whether returning perch spooks other members of the shoal, I have to say that even after specialising in the species for several decades I still haven't made up my mind. My experience is that if the perch are immediately returned and with the minimum of handling then spooking is also minimal. On the other hand if the perch is damaged in any way spooking can certainly occur, and I suspect is even more likely if the skin (except in the mouth) is broken. Having said all this, I've never done any controlled experiments so my evidence is purely anecdotal.

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Very interesting Glenn, it might explain my experiences.

 

But I categorically deny ever biting a fish before releasing it. :o:D

 

Rex Hunt kisses them does that count?

 

I think the thread has moved towards keepnets are fine if you know what you are doing. The same is probably true of (as Kempo mentioned) treble hooks. I don't like them one bit and I too think they are barbaric and I hope like the once accepted gaff they will soon be banished to history.

 

That is not to say that they are not perfectly safe in experienced hands but in the hands of a novice angler with 4lb main line trying to catch a pike as they are probably the easiest of the bigger species to catch. Catching a 4lb chub or barbel for example is comparatively more tricky. The problem I have is that you can but them off the shelf and use and lose them with inadequate tackle and stitch up a pikes gullet for more effectively than a single hook would.

 

My final point about trebles would be that experienced or not if you get a hook hold on the bottom treble of a trace then this can leave the top treble outside the fished mouth where it might catch the eye which for a pike would be bad news indeed.

 

Right tin hat one and ducking for cover,

 

 

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Rex Hunt kisses them does that count?

 

I think the thread has moved towards keepnets are fine if you know what you are doing. The same is probably true of (as Kempo mentioned) treble hooks. I don't like them one bit and I too think they are barbaric and I hope like the once accepted gaff they will soon be banished to history.

 

That is not to say that they are not perfectly safe in experienced hands but in the hands of a novice angler with 4lb main line trying to catch a pike as they are probably the easiest of the bigger species to catch. Catching a 4lb chub or barbel for example is comparatively more tricky. The problem I have is that you can but them off the shelf and use and lose them with inadequate tackle and stitch up a pikes gullet for more effectively than a single hook would.

 

My final point about trebles would be that experienced or not if you get a hook hold on the bottom treble of a trace then this can leave the top treble outside the fished mouth where it might catch the eye which for a pike would be bad news indeed.

 

Right tin hat one and ducking for cover,

Rich

 

stay close behind me rich and dont shoot till you see the whites of there eyes lmao

 

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what is this (UNITY) bit of nonsence?? even in the post heading?

Believe NOTHING anyones says or writes unless you witness it yourself and even then your eyes can deceive you

None of this "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" crap it just means i have at least two enemies!

 

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Well you won’t get any flak from me Richard as there is some truth in what you say.

 

But surely the same can be said for many items of tackle/practices in angling er if not angling itself?

 

As for the double standards re keepnets. I have no problem with what Steve does as in general his water is a "no keepnet water”, as most anglers there will be catching specimen sized fish they have no real need/desire to retain them he merely allows the use of them to enable the occasional match. I bet these are very few and far between (Steve?) and couldn’t really be held without him kindly "lifting" this restriction. I know several waters where this is the case and there appears to be no hard feeling from any of the members.

 

However on heavily match fished (3 a week) commercials it seems strange and indeed double standards that the pleasure angler can’t use them. Strange in the fact that these waters often see a disproportionately small number of pleasure anglers!

 

A good example of anglers trying to work towards unity strangely comes from one of the most un-united clubs I’ve ever known! -

 

Once a very pleasure/match biased club it has been for about a decade or so very much carp (specimen carp) orientated. Recently we had a major SVC, KHV scare in the area. It was decided that no keepnets were to be used due to the concern of them bringing in disease from other waters. Effectively that would have meant the end of the small (dozen or so if your lucky!) but popular series of summer evening matches and 3 or 4 annual fixtures. The club shelled out on 20 keepnets that are permanently kept on the water to be used for these matches. I thought considering the small proportion of pleasure/match anglers in the club this was a good gesture. They could have easily just have stopped the matches.

 

A bit of consideration/appreciation of a "fellow" angler’s enjoyment of angling regardless of personal preference.

And thats my "non indicative opinion"!

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what is this (UNITY) bit of nonsense??(spell checked sry) even in the post heading?

 

dunno but it has worked to his advantage eh as he must of known there were differences in angling so the words hornets nest spring to ming here lol..

 

all good fun though. :sun:



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In these days of digital cameras I don't think there is much need to keep fish in a net whilst pleasure fishing. Having said that, the net technology is now much better and any damage done is probably due to idiot handling rather than the net itself. I've always said (and any pike angler will tell you) the best way to keep fish undamaged is in a plastic bucket drilled full of holes, three quarters sunk in the water. They just suffer NO DAMAGE at all, even if kept for a week (apart from turning a bit white!) Obviously this isn't practical for general angling but the latest net materials get very close to the same smooth finish. One thing that does concern me with the "safe net" type material is that the holes are so small that I imagine they must restrict water transfer through the net. Maybe at this time of year in still waters that could cause problems. It is pretty obvious when carp are short of oxygen though, and surely if anyone sees them gulping at the surface of the net they will release them.

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As for the double standards re keepnets. I have no problem with what Steve does as in general his water is a "no keepnet water”, as most anglers there will be catching specimen sized fish they have no real need/desire to retain them he merely allows the use of them to enable the occasional match. I bet these are very few and far between (Steve?) and couldn’t really be held without him kindly "lifting" this restriction. I know several waters where this is the case and there appears to be no hard feeling from any of the members.

 

I had on average 1 match a year for about 5 years.

 

The only other time keepnets have been allowed was when I was taking small carp out of the Carp Lake. By small I mean anything up to 17lbs by the final year this was being done. I therefore had special extra large keepnets made out of 100% carp sacking. These were kept at the fishery and members were allowed to use only these. Indeed it was compulsory that they took them to their swims.

 

I've also a strict rule on the use of sacks. These are extracts from my rules:

 

19. Carp sacks and tubes may be used on either lake but only for 10 minutes whilst photographic equipment is set up. Please refer to the SAA Code of Conduct for rules on the use of sacks and tubes.

 

20. No keepnets are permitted except in the rare matches arranged by the management.

 

I'd add that the SAA Code of Conduct is an integral part of my rules as you can see from this:

 

Wingham Fisheries supports the SAA/NAA Code of Conduct, a copy of which is enclosed for new members who don’t have access to the internet. Otherwise it can be downloaded from the SAA pages at http://www.saauk.org Any member breaking this Code of Conduct will be deemed to have broken the fishery rules.

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