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Braid for Pike / Zander fishing ?


kestrel

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Bingbong,they most likely will be ok.Its just that the higher test curve carp rods often have a much faster taper than the equivelant pike rod.This isnt a good action for using braid or more so casting livebaits.Predator rods tend to be softer more through action.

 

If your going to be using mono and deads then there wont be a problem! Also of course it depends on how you use them. As this is how most casual pikers fish you should be fine.

 

Dont worry about problems untill they are actually there!

And thats my "non indicative opinion"!

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Bingbong,they most likely will be ok.Its just that the higher test curve carp rods often have a much faster taper than the equivelant pike rod.This isnt a good action for using braid or more so casting livebaits.Predator rods tend to be softer more through action.

 

If your going to be using mono and deads then there wont be a problem! Also of course it depends on how you use them. As this is how most casual pikers fish you should be fine.

 

Dont worry about problems untill they are actually there!

 

Budgie , you are right , the fox warriors I had were fine with mono and there were no problems with casting dead baits. I think they were just too stiff for deadbaiting with braid. Lost too many fish.

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Its just that the higher test curve carp rods often have a much faster taper than the equivelant pike rod.This isnt a good action for using braid or more so casting livebaits.Predator rods tend to be softer more through action.

 

Dang it Budgie - NOW you tell me. Here I've been doing it backasswards all these years with fast action pred gear and through action, slow action (carbon/glass composite) carp & catfish rods.

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And I reckon youve been doing it right! well certainly for the styles you use any way!

 

The "fast taper" high test curve carp rods have very much become the standard in this country due to the pre occupation with casting to the horizon.The only margin most UK carpers now know is the far one.This fits in much better with the camping,drinking,socialising style that has become common.

 

For playing any hard fighting fish at close to medium range through action rods as you say are far superior.

 

I bet those fast taper rods you are reffering to are your lure rods as opposed to your bait rods? Fast taper are much better for working lures and I reckon for accurate casting to......

 

But then I reckon you all ready know this you old stirrer! :P:D

And thats my "non indicative opinion"!

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But then I reckon you all ready know this you old stirrer! :P:D

Budgie - I am crushed that you would think such a thing of me. Truly crushed.

 

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

 

But as you suspected, my fast action rods are lure rods and I like a slow action blank for static baits and larger fish. OTOH, if I need to place a bait at range, I motor close to the spot, cast, and then go elsewhere.

 

I almost never fish a lake small enough to make a cast to the far bank reasonable.

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forgot to say my rods are through action-catfish tested!! they are probably close to teh same materials as newts?-mine are no name carp rods! 30 squids each

 

beaware with braid,rod rings can suffer and get grooved out,mine thank good are tough as old boots,no signs or grooveing,summit to watchout for with braid.

 

also playing fish with braid is lot diferent to mono,have to go easy, allow for the lack of stretch,but when needed you can turn a fish alot quicker!

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Ive used braid for over 15 years now.Best example though are the rods I used for catfishing whilst I was working as a full time guide.I mention these as they most likely saw more rod hours in one season than most anglers will see in their entire lives.Also there isnt many fish that pull harder than a big cat.

 

Top and bottom of this is Ive never seen a single sign of wear on any of my rods even these "working" rods! They all have standard Fuji BNHG rings.All of my rods have lined rings of some description.

 

So is it just cheap "wire" rings that are worn by braid or is it just another braid myth created by none braid users?

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I used to have rings cut by mono after a time but that was years ago and I suspect they were unlined stainless or something similar.

 

I have not seen any problems of that nature in quite a while even though I use mostly braid.

 

I did worry about the sinking braids that had some kevlar woven in with the braid to make it heavy enough to sink. That stuff could probably cut grooves in most materials. No first hand experience with it though.

 

I'm not sure that any decent modern rod will have rings soft enough to be cut by line. However, most of them can probably get small cracks if hit on something hard and that will certainly damage line in a hurry so a test with a cotton bud every couple of months is probably a good precaution.

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I used to have rings cut by mono after a time but that was years ago and I suspect they were unlined stainless or something similar.

 

I have not seen any problems of that nature in quite a while even though I use mostly braid.

 

I did worry about the sinking braids that had some kevlar woven in with the braid to make it heavy enough to sink. That stuff could probably cut grooves in most materials. No first hand experience with it though.

 

I'm not sure that any decent modern rod will have rings soft enough to be cut by line. However, most of them can probably get small cracks if hit on something hard and that will certainly damage line in a hurry so a test with a cotton bud every couple of months is probably a good precaution.

 

I have never had a problem with any rod rings whilst using with braid, spinning, deadbaiting or carping. Most rods now have lined rings that seem to be pretty tough. Good idea to check though, every so often.

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kestrel - rings are an item that is much better today than a few years ago.

 

Spinning and casting rods as late as the early '60s had pretty soft metal and unlined rings so we had to regularly change them as they became 'grooved' by the line.

 

It might be an interesting experiment for you (for anyone really) to spin a cotton bud lightly along the inside of your rings and see if any of them snag little bits of cotton.

 

If you find a ring that does, a look with a good glass will show you the crack and I'd bet large sums that frequent use of that rod will have caused some line damage.

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