Removal of worms, crabs and Small fish for bait to be banned?

[Tom Pinborough]

Essex SFC -

CFO. Mr J. Wiggans –

The Sail Loft, Shipyard Est, Brightlingsea, Essex. CO7 OAR.

Tel: 01206 303261

joss.wiggans@kent.gov.uk

 

or

 

Address:

The Ice House, Military Road Ramsgate Kent CT11 9LG

Telephone No: 01843 585310

Fax: 01843 585310

 

E-mail: joan.taylor@kent.gov.uk

[thebigman]

And he's bigger than me!

Hmmm! I think I'll take your advice as given above and keep out of it (as an angler, I have a personal interest in the matter and therefore perhaps I shouldn't take part in any debate or vote on the issue).

 

In any case I mostly fish lures!

 

If you're not going to get involved in angling matters Leon why bother being on the committee? You have to put the angling point of view.

 

I would agree with the undersized bait fish point but it should be possible to put reasoned arguements about the the other baits. For instance, crabs killed before peeling, rocks replaced back as they were, holes filled after worms dug.

 

You could also point out that anglers gathering bait report any pollution problems that they find when bait collecting.

 

I wouldn't get involved in any tit for tat stuff with the commercial guys though.

[Steve Coppolo]

If you're not going to get involved in angling matters Leon why bother being on the committee? You have to put the angling point of view.

 

I would agree with the undersized bait fish point but it should be possible to put reasoned arguements about the the other baits. For instance, crabs killed before peeling, rocks replaced back as they were, holes filled after worms dug.

 

You could also point out that anglers gathering bait report any pollution problems that they find when bait collecting.

 

I wouldn't get involved in any tit for tat stuff with the commercial guys though.

 

The proposal is a big joke and full of holes. It will be very easy to shoot it down in flames. I think Leon and the Doc were just being pedantic Bigman.

[Puffin]

Surely the sensible response would be to agree to the measure regarding undersized fish, pointing out that anglers self-impose size limits on themselves which are larger than those accepted by commercial fishermen and that we are not the ones killing thousands of tons of immature fish each year. I have never used an undersized fish as livebait, how many have? A legal mackerel can be unbelievably small!

Then, having got the high ground, you can make him look the complete anti-angling prat that he is for the ridiculous suggestions about worms and crustacea.

If you can establish his anti-angling credentials then I think you have good grounds for proposing that he is in future banned from voting on any issue that might affect angling.

 

Colin,

 

That's the best post on this thread so far IMHO. As long as it is clear that "undersized" applies strictly to those species that have a MLS I don't think it would be a lot to lose compared tp the right to collect worm and crustacea. I personally wouldn't use an undersize fish as bait, alive or dead, and I don't think I know anyone who would.

[Guest challenge]

The proposal is a big joke and full of holes. It will be very easy to shoot it down in flames. I think Leon and the Doc were just being pedantic Bigman.

I agree with you Steve, nothing is as peevish and pedantic as men’s judgment of one another.

[The doctor]

I agree with you Steve, nothing is as peevish and pedantic as men’s judgment of one another.

 

[glennk]

Glen

 

You are totally wrong

 

I have certainly not had any correspondence with Nigel or Leon on this.

 

You made a statement about not backing tope conservation measures. What the xxxx has the tope done to you. The Defra tope consultaion is about survival of a species. It was brought about by Defra consulting with the WWF and Sharktrust; this has been stated many times. Our job was to try and make sure anglers could still fish for them and we won't know the answer to that for a while yet. You witnessed first hand the birth of SOS just 18 months ago, so know we couldn't have been involved with the Defra stance on Licenses and bag limits.

If you actually took off your blinkers you would see that no one has asked for baglimits for Cod. I believe all species and regions should and must be taken on merit. If the stocks are healthy and fished in a sustainable way, then there is nothing wrong with RSA harvesting the sea. Ask any of the so called unelected if they have ever seen written or asked for baglimits on Cod. The trouble is if you don;t get the answer you want you will accuse them of lying which really gets me peed off.

 

I voted on your Cod Poll because i believe RSA should stick together and fight the coming problems as one voice. I could honestly say I wouldn't care personally if I never saw a Cod again in my life but I would happily spend an hour writing to Defra defending your rights, to catch and keep a few.

 

On a personal level I do agree with bag limits on endangered species as I can't expect the commercials to stop fishing for a species on conservation grounds and allow RSA to kill them. The term quid quo pro springs to mind.

 

If I take my Blinkers off Ian I miss what could be something very important. You may be right you may be wrong about people proposing bag limits for cod, Ive not read any responses other than Leon's and Yalasa'a But one thing I know for certain is that noone said they didnt back them and in doing that we are running the risk of getting measures introduced for cod fishing based on the desires of others to have them imposed for other species.

 

I don't know how the idea that anglers accepting bag limits and licences got into that marine bill response summary but I know 1 thing for certain it certainly does not mention those measures being area or species specific and I believe in several years into the future when these measures are introduced my fishing will be ****ed for the benefit of anglers who know nothing of fishing this area.

[big_cod]

Essex SFC -

CFO. Mr J. Wiggans –

The Sail Loft, Shipyard Est, Brightlingsea, Essex. CO7 OAR.

Tel: 01206 303261

joss.wiggans@kent.gov.uk

 

or

 

Address:

The Ice House, Military Road Ramsgate Kent CT11 9LG

Telephone No: 01843 585310

Fax: 01843 585310

 

E-mail: joan.taylor@kent.gov.uk

 

Is this man in the real world .

[Guest challenge]

Is that a serious attempt at humour doc? Or more of your negotiation skills that you keep hinting to us about?

[Steve Coppolo]

Is this man in the real world .

 

No Paul, that's the chief fisheries officer. That's who we've got to write to with our objections. The chap who wrote the letter proposing the ban on bait is a local commercial fisherman who sits on the committee as a DEFRA appointee. We haven't got his address.