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Leon Roskilly

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Rich I can understand your anger but I dont think its fair to play down the incredible work the PAC has done since it was first formed in the area of pike conservation and general improvement of attitudes towards them.

 

I think Mark has overlooked that AN is a "general" angling site that is visited by anglers of all types,both experience and fishing genre wise. As such a lot of the posts made are made not to give advice but to both try and understand something or offer an alternative veiw from a different branch of angling.As an example Barry's post re mono.He wasnt reccomending using mono but more asking why wire was used for pike when his normal species ie conger,ling,tope etc were quite safely landed on heavy mono despite their teeth.

 

Im still not convinced about circles but why should I criticise people trying them exactly the same as I am/have/did? Be a bit elitist to sugest its ok for me to experiment but not for others eh :rolleyes: With the case of single hooks I certainly wasnt the first to try them either but did do so a long time ago.I understand people experimenting (as I and others have) with these but feel they should take note of the potential for death and damage that has been discovered during our attempts.Simply a case of no need to cause death/damage just to learn a lesson yourself when you can use someone elses experience.

 

Sadly lack of handling skills and knowledge is still (and with people comming in to the sport all the time) and will always be the main problem.Not tackle,rigs or hook models etc.If any of these are that bad then they should be banned and in the most quoted cases ie gaffs and gags indeed have to a certain degree.

 

Bit dissapointed with Marks actions re this site but I can understand his frustration.BUT if Marks looking in just look at the absolute rubbish wrote on even specialist pike sites (like P&P) where the authors are meant to be experienced,dedicated pikers before rubbishing people on here in general.

And thats my "non indicative opinion"!

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Thanks Peter. Some interesting comments. Conservative bunch, ain't they? :D

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Just had a read through the stuff Peter gave a link to.Seems that several on that site are just as ignorant of the true facts as on many others! BUT did you notice how talk of circles soon gets back to using the dreaded big singles?

 

The Mick Brown stuff is a real problem.When Mick first started playing with singles and his "kebab" rig he advocated the use of normal singles as big as 6/0.He doesnt any more though.To a certain degree he accepts the dangers to Pike from these large singles allthough similar to me hasnt got a problem with circles.Trouble is his initial ideas are still available for all to see and sadly (IMO) be mislead by.

 

Just in case some still dont understand my problem with big singles over circles its simply that big singles penetrate a lot deeper than a standard sized treble.The problem of deep penetration just doesnt occur with circles due to their mechanics.

And thats my "non indicative opinion"!

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Hi Newt, it started off as a low circulation specialist pike magazine. As it expanded it added predators to its title in an effort to pull in more readers. Have a read of the comments re circle hooks here:

http://www.totalcoarsefishing.com/cgi-bin/...?num=1222185849

Should have been re-launched as 'Pike and OTHER Predators' then, not that I'm ever a pedant ;)

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I subscribed to it for some time but just got fed up of reading rubbish.The fact that the man at the helm (James Holgate) has very rarely wrote anything Ive ever agreed with or found that interesting had a lot to do with it.The mag soon (IMO) became just a vehicle for him and his pals.Ive tried to speak to Mr Holgate a couple of times on issues I thought important (such as reporting/advising things re catting in Spain that were both wrong and indeed caused people to get in to trouble) but he was simply not interested.I suspected at the time it was because he was trying to make a niche for himself and buddies.

 

The later web site was a disgrace as it seemed to attract a minority of idiots who thought they were the mods and despite Dave Lumbs attempts to keep order it simply became a site I wasnt interested in.Slagging known anglers (of which many were members) or anyone who thought different to the "accepted norm" was much what it was about.

 

I was under the impression that both the mag and the site had folded though? The one the link is to is Total Coarse Fishing.

And thats my "non indicative opinion"!

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Before this goes any further, are the hooks shown on Newts post actually Circle hooks? Look like wide gape inturned eyed hooks to me. Or actually large inturned eyed singles.

 

Maybe what Mark was saying is that the idea that "circles" are safe to leave for the fish to swallow is not proven, and an awful lot of damage could be caused by there use. if it turns out wrong.

 

Leons post seemed to show that a lot of fish did not get hooked, and so someone less experienced may be tempted to delay the strike a little longer.

 

Den

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They are what I would call circles Den. Im still not convinced that they wouldnt engage if swallowed but have never tried this out. I just dont know if I can bring myself/justify to let enough pike intentionally swallow a bait on circles to prove it one way or another.

 

Newt from the limited knowledge you have of a pikes anatomey would you think they are 100% safe if swallowed totally?

 

Your last comment really sums up my fears especially with normal singles Den.

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Newt from the limited knowledge you have of a pikes anatomey would you think they are 100% safe if swallowed totally?

 

Certainly not Budgie. A certain percentage of circles taken deep will find a hold deep.

 

What I can and do say is that they are far safer than conventional single hooks with the greatly reduced occurrence of deep hooking and the preference for a lip hook or a complete miss.

 

What I can and do say is in the event of the fish breaking off, the chances of stitching mouth or throat closed is far less than with a circle of any size than with one or more trebles.

 

As to the anatomy piece - granted that I have nearly zero first hand experience with pike, I am fairly familiar with the way they are constructed. I would not presume to offer handling tips and other than lip hooked fish I would want expert help unhooking the first few.

 

[soapbox mode] Lastly , while I fully believe that live or dead bait is the best way to catch numbers and probably the best way to catch bigguns, I think that lures are probably the safest way to fish for pike and seriously doubt I'd be interested in using lives or deads with any sort of hook or rig. [/soapbox mode]

 

Largemouth bass are easier to catch on lives and especially the really huge fish but I don't do that either. I have no moral objections to lives but only use them for catfishing for flatheads who will eat almost nothing else. For them, I only use circles. For fish that will take lures, I stick with lures. Safer for the fish and more fun for me.

" My choices in life were either to be a piano player in a whore house or a politician. And to tell the truth, there's hardly any difference!" - Harry Truman, 33rd US President

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