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An unhooking mat the size of a kingsize bed and landing nets made of clouds?

Believe NOTHING anyones says or writes unless you witness it yourself and even then your eyes can deceive you

None of this "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" crap it just means i have at least two enemies!

 

There is only one opinion i listen to ,its mine and its ALWAYS right even when its wrong

 

Its far easier to curse the darkness than light one candle

 

Mathew 4:19

Grangers law : anything i say will  turn out the opposite or not happen at all!

Life insurance? you wont enjoy a penny!

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson

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Believe NOTHING anyones says or writes unless you witness it yourself and even then your eyes can deceive you

None of this "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" crap it just means i have at least two enemies!

 

There is only one opinion i listen to ,its mine and its ALWAYS right even when its wrong

 

Its far easier to curse the darkness than light one candle

 

Mathew 4:19

Grangers law : anything i say will  turn out the opposite or not happen at all!

Life insurance? you wont enjoy a penny!

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson

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Tigger,

 

Paylakes (your version of a commercial) fish are often caught 100 or more times. Equally, they replenish their massive stock annually. Usually 2 to 5 thousand pounds depending on lake size. The only reason I use paylakes as an example is because they are a controlled environment.

 

After thinking a bit I'd say we don't have near as many fish floating is we indeed have a different biomix. Catfish, turtles, crayfish, shore mammals, etc. are more abundant. The only critter I can think of where census density would be about equal may be cormorants.

 

My point is - if you angle you kill fish - get over it. They are just fish.

 

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How can fish be "often caught 100 or more times" when "18% plus or minus of hooked fish die. That is, they die exclusively as a result of being hooked"?

I'm confused.....

Species caught in 2020: Barbel. European Eel. Bleak. Perch. Pike.

Species caught in 2019: Pike. Bream. Tench. Chub. Common Carp. European Eel. Barbel. Bleak. Dace.

Species caught in 2018: Perch. Bream. Rainbow Trout. Brown Trout. Chub. Roach. Carp. European Eel.

Species caught in 2017: Siamese carp. Striped catfish. Rohu. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Black Minnow Shark. Perch. Chub. Brown Trout. Pike. Bream. Roach. Rudd. Bleak. Common Carp.

Species caught in 2016: Siamese carp. Jullien's golden carp. Striped catfish. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Alligator gar. Rohu. Black Minnow Shark. Roach, Bream, Perch, Ballan Wrasse. Rudd. Common Carp. Pike. Zander. Chub. Bleak.

Species caught in 2015: Brown Trout. Roach. Bream. Terrapin. Eel. Barbel. Pike. Chub.

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Thing is, I don't know where your figures come from. The studies that I looked at were all of either salmonids or North American freshwater bass, Of those the highest mortality rate that I saw was for bass at around 11% for juvenile smallmouth caught on livebaits, with a zero mortality rate among those caught on spinners for comparison.

Juvenile fish caught using a method likely to result in gut hooking with a big barbed hook is about as bad as it gets so I don't see how you get your 18% figure unless it's something else entirely.

Certainly, an 18% mortality rate would mean that the average number of times that a fish in any given waterway would be caught before being hooked or handled poorly resulted in it's death would be 5 or 6. That being the case, fish that survive capture and release 10 or 12 times would be rare. Fish that survive 40 captures would be almost unheard of and the idea that fish would survive 100 or more captures "often" just makes no sense.

Species caught in 2020: Barbel. European Eel. Bleak. Perch. Pike.

Species caught in 2019: Pike. Bream. Tench. Chub. Common Carp. European Eel. Barbel. Bleak. Dace.

Species caught in 2018: Perch. Bream. Rainbow Trout. Brown Trout. Chub. Roach. Carp. European Eel.

Species caught in 2017: Siamese carp. Striped catfish. Rohu. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Black Minnow Shark. Perch. Chub. Brown Trout. Pike. Bream. Roach. Rudd. Bleak. Common Carp.

Species caught in 2016: Siamese carp. Jullien's golden carp. Striped catfish. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Alligator gar. Rohu. Black Minnow Shark. Roach, Bream, Perch, Ballan Wrasse. Rudd. Common Carp. Pike. Zander. Chub. Bleak.

Species caught in 2015: Brown Trout. Roach. Bream. Terrapin. Eel. Barbel. Pike. Chub.

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The only scenarios I can think of where the conclusions of that paper might be applicable to fishing in the UK, other than those already mentioned, would be zander fishing on reservoirs and poorly-done recreational sea angling. There's a world of difference in angling culture and practice between the UK and the US.

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