When a good deed leaves you feeling deflated....

[Guest Brumagem Phil]

Thanks all for your comments.

 

I'll report the incident so they can keep an eye open for him........if last night shook him up enough not to do it again then he will suffer no more than a routine stop check, and if it doesnt then he deserves all he gets.

 

By the way the oddities of law are such that you can get done for conspiracy even if what you are conspiring to do isnt illegal. Weird or what?

[chesters1]

and after the quickly forced through crime laws of last year ,you can be arrested if theres reason to believe you may commit a crime in the future

you ofcourse nor your brief need to be told why and a magistrate can legaly be told only "evidence" that takes the polices side.

even in a current case in which the magistrate is deciding if you are to be held in custody the police can fail to mention a rock solid alibi you may have and tell only what interests them.

in the 3000 new crime laws forced through there was only time for parliament to discuss c72 add to that all the unseen (by parliament) ammendments and you are garaunteed to be breaking a law whatever you do.

thats democaracy for you.

the government make sure only the shortest time is given to discussing new laws (perfectly legal and usually a few days) so 90% go through unchecked and unchallenged if ofcourse parliament get told about them.

Edited March 27, 2007 by chesters1

[Guest Brumagem Phil]

did you know if you have 1000 quid in your pocket and cant give what the copper feels is a fair reason why you have it then he can confiscate it?

[chesters1]

less than 4p and he can arrest you anyway, more than two in a group and your a crowd and once the riot act read arrested ,its tied up pretty well in our laws passed to ensure our "freedom"

Edited March 27, 2007 by chesters1

[UK-Fishing-Tackle.co.uk]

Interesting about the money thing - the old 'i won it on a track from a trackside bookie' used to be the defence for 'unexplained' cash (mainly to taxmen I suspect!). These days I am not sure if it washes BUT under the human rights act you may well have Europe on your side since you probably have a right to privacy and a right to not incriminate yourself in a court of law (that exists to a certain extent in our statute anyway).

 

Therefore wether they can truly confiscate it legally until you can explain it I am not sure.

 

All this was dressed up as anti-terrorism crap - when clearly it is a money laundering/drug type thing really - Anti-terror got it through the books quicker I suspect!!

[five bellies]

Phill,

 

You offerrd to help mate thats a lot more than a lot of folk would have done.

 

Put it down to expieriance and forget It The bloke will still be a pratt tomorrow wether you report him or not, involving the police may end up making your life complicated, You cant second guess what might happen in the future thats where maddness lies,

 

He will come unstuck people like him allways do.

[Ian FG]

Ian W,

 

Good reply, you are right, you only have to report an accident if there are injuries or third party damage, but putting a car in a ditch often damages someone's fence or roadside 'furniture' as it's called.

 

Good point about the burden of proof, however I still wouldn't recommend assisting people who appear to be committing crimes.

 

You were right to say that the example case of aiding and abetting I illustrated was different, I guess I was just trying to show that it is possible to be prosecuted for aiding and abetting drunk driving.

 

Five Bellies, you summed it up nicely, this guy will come unstuck sooner or later let's just hope no one else has to suffer when that happens.

 

Ian

Edited March 28, 2007 by Ian FG

[chesters1]

Interesting about the money thing - the old 'i won it on a track from a trackside bookie' used to be the defence for 'unexplained' cash (mainly to taxmen I suspect!). These days I am not sure if it washes BUT under the human rights act you may well have Europe on your side since you probably have a right to privacy and a right to not incriminate yourself in a court of law (that exists to a certain extent in our statute anyway).

 

Therefore wether they can truly confiscate it legally until you can explain it I am not sure.

 

All this was dressed up as anti-terrorism crap - when clearly it is a money laundering/drug type thing really - Anti-terror got it through the books quicker I suspect!!

trouble is with such laws its now up to you to prove innocence rather than the law proving guilt .

the right to silence is now judged as a sign of guilt!!!

Edited March 28, 2007 by chesters1

[Ian FG]

trouble is with such laws its now up to you to prove innocence rather than the law proving guilt .

the right to silence is now judged as a sign of guilt!!!

 

Chesters,

 

Only in very few cases does the law require you to prove your innocence.

 

The right to silence is not judged as guilt but it may 'harm your defence' if, when reasonable questions are put to you by a police officer, you choose to remain silent.

 

Ian

[zinghaha]

B Phil, he could have been seriously hurt, that was a good deed on your part. Whether or not to have reported him is a subjective decision and everybody has an opinion on what they would have done. All valid but subjective to their feelings. Bravo to you anyway!