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Hi all.

 

I have been having a good read of the message board and it has defiantly been informative. but i have a couple of questions, I have been sea fishing for quite a while now. and after having a go in a sit on top on holiday i really want to do more of it. i would be using it in the Liverpool bay area and abersoch/pwhelli in the summer..

 

Looking around on the internet there is obviously a lot of choice when it comes to the boat itself. and the ocean kayak range seems to stand out from the rest, but what is the difference between the 13, 15 and Big game. i know the lengths are different but it that it or is it the way the boat is layed out.

 

 

also would anyone (and i know that this is a completely subjective figure), be able to give me a rough idea of the total i would need to spent to get in to the water Yak, PFD etc.

 

Thanks for you help in advance

 

Jamie

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Jamie,

 

I notice ever yone of the previous 44 viewers has rushed to your aid!!

 

Prowler 13 and 15 are very similar - cockpit on the 13 more "leggy" in that tall folks found the 15 a bit short. Otherwise the Prolers are all the same layout - the new Elite 4.5 being between the two in length, beam of the 13 and the cockpit and tankwell from the 13 - to all intents and purposes it is a stretched 13 - with a fishfinder ready transducer mount in the hull (custom fitted for the Hummingbird series.)

 

The Big game is a different beast altogether - heavier 9a lot heavier) beamier and in a wind or tide a good fitness increaser......it will be a lot harder to paddle.

 

You don't have to worry about the stability of the prowlers. They are all quite stable enough to cope with anything you can paddle in. My suggestion would be for you to go for the Elite from the Prowler range - it is the newest, but that means it has the benefit of development. It will also fit oyu even if you are a big fella - not too heavy (about 30kgs) and paddles pretty well. It wil do all you want of it - but don't try going off the Tripods or round to Bardsey, you will become a statistic as you won't be able to paddle against the current in any of the models you ahve suggested. The Tudwals will be a good work out, but on a fine day no reason why you can't get out there.

 

When you have got your choice of kayak and are ready to go give me a shout - that is one of my fishing areas, but it is a 3.5 hour drive forme, so need a booking!

 

Other essential gear: paddle (don't skimp. Get a decent paddle - it will repay you in a very short period of time) A good paddle will set you back about £80 - £100. A VERY good paddle will cost anywhere between £150 and £300 - there is good reason why better paddles cost more money - and why peple buy them! You don't see any experienced kayakers with poor paddles......when you have paddled with a good one, you will understand why. 10,000 reps of lifting 1lb extra is reason enough. The extra efficiency of a good paddle is the rest of the reason why.

A paddle leash from me is the cheapst you can get and is proven. (You'll have to ask someone, i am not allowed to tell you!)

 

PFD: again, a comfortable one is one you wear - and so it works. An uncomfortable one is one you swear at, leave off - and then your relatives can divvy up what is left of your money that you could have spent on a PFD. Suggest a ALM Adventure REC as one of the best - there other makes and models.

 

Compass - as a minimum. At least you know which way land is when the sea fog arrives.......a Silva hiking compass for £10 is quite adequate. keep it away from metal and electrics, otherwise it won't point in the right direction. Take a note of the return bearing, even in good visibility. make a mental note of it, better still, write it down on something.

 

Whistle - very good way of summoning aid. Costs bugger all.

 

Clothing - for summer shorts and T-shirt. From now until end May and from end Oct to nowtime - nothing but proper paddling gear. The air temperature is fine, no problem. Fall in and you will soon learn what hypothermia is. The water is at its lowest temperature in the spring. Winter when you are wet it is the wind chill that will get you. Paddle togs - dry suit or trousers and cag will be about £125 - £175 depending on what and whose.

 

Set of flares. - £35.

 

Ziplock Freezer bags - ideal for storing your mobile phone in - and for going for a pee! Use bag, wash out overside.....a variation on the "bucket and chuck it" system - the polybag moulds to the available space when you are sat down. I use mine by my toes......otherwise I just point it through the scupper holes - the front ones!!

 

Anchor, chain and line - about £15 all in. See anchoring threads here and there (search function?)

 

That is about the essentials. Everything else is "can do without, but comes in useful".

 

The most important items are those for safety - you only get one chance, use it wisely. An anchor COULD be made up for instance, a bag of stones will hold you - but is a pain if it rips open!

 

Hope that gets you started.

Simon Everett

Staffordshire.

Fishing kayaks:

White& Orange Dorado

Olive Scupper Pro

Yellow Prowler Elite

 

Touring kayaks

Red White Skua

White & Orange Duo

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Welcome aboard Jamie

 

Simon covered it well there for you. I will add that your bank balance will plummet once you start wanting to add new toy's to your chosen yak ;)

 

Simon mentioned his paddle leash, I use one and find it much better than the long ones that clip onto the kayak. You will find them Here in the accesories. And they are half the price of other models.

 

I have several pfd's, I prefer the models that have the bouyancy spread out over the whole unit rather than the white water type which have it only at the front and rear. Delta ranger is my favourite.

 

Paddles. I like the lendal paddle-lok system. Carbon shaft with seperate blades let you customise between your main paddle and your spare paddle. Kinetic touring blades and archipelago blades are ideal for the type of paddleing we do when fishing. Lendal

 

Finally try before you buy. Before you buy a yak, paddle, pfd or clothing. For clothing and pfd try them on together and sit in a yak in the shop if possible with a paddle and make sure it's comfortable. As for a Kayak get to a meet and try and blag a go in a few different boats.

 

Best of luck, and dont worry about asking questions, thats what the forum is for.

 

GB

1 on the lure is worth 2 from the bait.

.....................................

 

Location Pembrokeshire

Kayak's

OK Prowler Trident Yellow

Kaskazi Pelican Orange on White ( CEZI B ) from www.kayakuk.com

Wilderness Tarpon 120 Yellow

Dughters Kayak OK Venus Blue & White (Kristi Boo)

Cobra Fish & Dive Blue

 

Tamar For Angle R.N.L.I

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Hi all.

 

I have been having a good read of the message board and it has defiantly been informative. but i have a couple of questions, I have been sea fishing for quite a while now. and after having a go in a sit on top on holiday i really want to do more of it. i would be using it in the Liverpool bay area and abersoch/pwhelli in the summer..

 

Looking around on the internet there is obviously a lot of choice when it comes to the boat itself. and the ocean kayak range seems to stand out from the rest, but what is the difference between the 13, 15 and Big game. i know the lengths are different but it that it or is it the way the boat is layed out.

also would anyone (and i know that this is a completely subjective figure), be able to give me a rough idea of the total i would need to spent to get in to the water Yak, PFD etc.

 

Thanks for you help in advance

 

Jamie

 

 

hi jamie, welcome to the forum :thumbs:

i have only been fishing for a short whilst, and had the opportunity to buy a prowler 13,

it's true you can soon spank a truck load of money on shiny stuff and toys,

 

my only advice is keep it simple, enjoy yourself and bee safe... :clap2:

prowler 13 angling edition

 

margate kent

 

beware.. one man's legacy is another's inheritance...

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thanks for all the information, really useful. went to brookbankcanoes today for a little look at the actual boats. the elite certainly looked the part, although seeing it in the skin was an eye opener. there huge, makes the idea of chucking it on the roof rack of my fiesta laughable.

 

the question it did leave me with, which even after searching the internet and this site, was the whole issue of Fish Finder Ready. i have heard people saying that there is a marked cost difference. but the only models i could find that had FFR after there name were the same price of the normal ones. so firstly is this right that there is now not a difference in price. if there is can you buy the fish finder kit seperatly if so how much is it and where can i get it? and also what humming bird FF do people tend to go for?

 

 

wow thats a lot of questions, i hope someone can help :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :clap2:

 

thanks in advance

 

Jamie

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Jamie

 

It is a little confusing...the Elite has the moulded in scupper designed to take the Humminbird transducer. The FFR kit to make it ready to take the unit & transducer consists of a battery tray & strap, fused power cable, transducer 'boot' & mounting plate...all you need to add is the battery & fishfinder of your choice. This is around £135 to add to the £569 price of the standard boat.

 

The fully fitted model at £849 has all these fitted plus a fitted rudder (normally £150).

 

The choice of fish finder is totally personal really - I'd listen to the guys on here that use them & relate it to where you're going to be fishing &, of course, your budget.

 

Hope this helps..please contact us if we can help further? Details are on the website www.johnsonoutdoors.co.uk

 

Best regards

 

Andrew

(Johnson Outdoors UK)

 

quote name='progressive74' date='Apr 2 2007, 06:54 PM' post='735501']

thanks for all the information, really useful. went to brookbankcanoes today for a little look at the actual boats. the elite certainly looked the part, although seeing it in the skin was an eye opener. there huge, makes the idea of chucking it on the roof rack of my fiesta laughable.

 

the question it did leave me with, which even after searching the internet and this site, was the whole issue of Fish Finder Ready. i have heard people saying that there is a marked cost difference. but the only models i could find that had FFR after there name were the same price of the normal ones. so firstly is this right that there is now not a difference in price. if there is can you buy the fish finder kit seperatly if so how much is it and where can i get it? and also what humming bird FF do people tend to go for?

wow thats a lot of questions, i hope someone can help :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :clap2:

 

thanks in advance

 

Jamie

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Hi Jamie,

 

Where are you based ? I note that you fish in N Wales area and went to Brookbank....I fish and shop on those places respectively. I'm based between Sheffield and Chesterfield.

 

By the way, Richi has a P13 and puts it on a Peugeot 206...or something like that anyway...similar in size to a Fiesta.

 

 

Mike

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Hi Jamie,

 

Where are you based ? I note that you fish in N Wales area and went to Brookbank....I fish and shop on those places respectively. I'm based between Sheffield and Chesterfield.

 

By the way, Richi has a P13 and puts it on a Peugeot 206...or something like that anyway...similar in size to a Fiesta.

Mike

 

 

I am based between ellesmere port and chester. nice to know that it will fit on the car. the people in brookbank were really nice, but not very knowledgeable about fishing kayaks as from what the guy said was that they have only really started supplying fishing kayaks but for the rest of the kit they were very helpful

 

Jamie

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Jamie,

 

If you buy from Brookbank, be sure to get a quote for the entire package that you buy from them.

 

They'll usually charge full whack for the yak but give you a free paddle. Check what the free one is. Last year I bought a Prowler 13 from them and the free paddle was a Carlisle Simply Magic with fibre glass shaft....about £60 worth and adequate for a beginner. I've just bought my stepson a Scrambler XT and the free paddle was just a £30 cheapo, with heavy alloy shaft.....so I just paid the difference to upgrade to a better paddle....so basically, I got £30 off. If you're getting an elite, ie a more expensive yak, I think you should expect to get a slightly better quality paddle.

 

If you are also buying other kit such as pfd, cag, pants etc they'll give you a reduction on those as well...generally about 10%.

 

Deva Marine are based in Conwy and Anglesey (nr Benllech). They sell yaks and yakking gear (although don't specialise as Brookbank do). It might be worth getting prices from them as well.

 

Good luck.

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