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There appears within this debate a cross party caution to the bill in favour of the rsa. Both Bill Wiggins and Martin Salter have been speaking not as you would percieve an mp to speak, i.e. lies lies, bull s..t, flannel etc but with words of wisdom. They both appear to have a handle on the case and the debate is worth reading primerily to get an insite into what the mp's are actually doing.

 

 

Read right through the Hansard version. At times one of them breaks into Leon Roskilly speak. Ive written to my local MP for some clarification on a point he made about charter fishing. I get the feeling he was suggesting skippers should pay through their harbour dues. I know the lads wouldnt be very impressed with paying more harbour dues.

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50lb Shore Cod

 

 

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Not quite sure what they are talking about although it could be the No trawl zone from Sandsend ness to Boulby in the north. Its not a commercial free zone as gill netters and long liners can use the area. Supposedly no trawlers can use it although many do and quite often, and in the past significant representatives of the fishing industry have been prosecuted for trawling in there (I wonder which one it was - Don't take much figuring out.)

 

Is the area beneficial for anglers ?? well some of the best cod fishing from the shore is to be had in that area there is no doubt and a significantly high proportion of the bigger cod caught by shore anglers comes from that area. Whether that is due to the no trawl zone is debatable as it just so happens to be the best ground for the cod, ie lots of kelp, lots of deep Gulleys close to shore and lots of water colour provided by discharge from the local potash mine which the fish seem to love. No research has been done on this so its all about how we find the area on a personnal level. Fishing in recent year isn't a patch on what it once was though.

 

Hi glen

 

How big an area does this sandsend ness to boulby trawl exclusion zone cover ie, in miles? it would be nice to have any sort of exclusion zone down here even if the policing of such is crap glen.

 

As you say your coast is a bit more rugged, with that as well as this (albeit poorly policed trawl exclusion zone) you guys up north have atleast some hope and its no wonder that you still have some half decent fishing left, its also different down here with its nice sandy easy no risk shoreline with those torrid little beamers dragging the f**k out of the ground right up to the groynes, we have jack protection and the lack of the last few decades of quality shore fishing results can prove it, cheers...........

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Hi Stavey Not sure of the exist boundaries (maybe big cod might know) It stretches from Sandsend Ness up to Boulby which is approximately 8 miles.

 

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http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?cli...;multimap.y=257

 

 

Hi glen

 

I lifted this trawling byelaw off the nesfc website, its a little bit gobbledy goop to read for my untrained brain, but maybe you or anyone else might be able to put it in laymans terms, anyway i think its saying there are some trawling restrictions out to three mile maybe? whats your interpretation of it any ideas????????

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Read right through the Hansard version. At times one of them breaks into Leon Roskilly speak. Ive written to my local MP for some clarification on a point he made about charter fishing. I get the feeling he was suggesting skippers should pay through their harbour dues. I know the lads wouldnt be very impressed with paying more harbour dues.

 

Thanks for that Glennk, i have read most of it but i will take time out to read all again, a skipper spoke of licences last week and mentioned that he could become an unpaid tax collector, not happy.

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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It is encouraging to see some words which suit us coming out of the mouths of MP's, unfortunately those aren't the MP's who will make the decisions. The words of Ben Bradshaw are far less encouraging

 

As he also rightly pointed out, there is an argument, for which there is support in the angling community, that just as the freshwater angling, or rod, licence has delivered conservation benefits in our rivers and lakes for anglers—they recognise that and it is why the rod licence is popular—there is potential to do the same in the marine area.

 

I have NEVER read a single opinion (apart from Bradshaw's) that a sea angling licence will deliver what we want.

 

DELIVER WHAT WE WANT FIRST AND THEN I'LL PAY - NOT UNTIL!

 

I pay my freshwater licence only because I know that no commercial fisherman is taking the fish from my waters. If Ben Bradshaw can't understand that he is not fit to be in office.

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It is encouraging to see some words which suit us coming out of the mouths of MP's, unfortunately those aren't the MP's who will make the decisions. The words of Ben Bradshaw are far less encouraging

I have NEVER read a single opinion (apart from Bradshaw's) that a sea angling licence will deliver what we want.

 

DELIVER WHAT WE WANT FIRST AND THEN I'LL PAY - NOT UNTIL!

 

I pay my freshwater licence only because I know that no commercial fisherman is taking the fish from my waters. If Ben Bradshaw can't understand that he is not fit to be in office.

 

 

How about putting your comments against the individuall mp's comments within the report, i'm sure that it would get a point across, who ever reads the report would then read yours. Be a little bit tacktfull though as some other mp has used the words'not fit for purpose'.

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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