Is This A Roach?

[Elton]

Here is a roach/rudd hybrid for comparison. Caught it at a Sussex Reservoir.

 

Yeah, but what's that fish it's holding?

[bluerinse]

Hi All,

 

Well very hard to tell 100%, but i would say that it is a Roach.

 

It would be interesting to know the weight and what water or type of water it was caught from.

 

Great fish.

 

 

I am sure its all roach, it is well coloured has the right shaped fins and the mouth looks to be correct. I would say about 3.5lb may be a bit more, Fantastic fish.

[mark barrett]

Hi All,

 

Well very hard to tell 100%, but i would say that it is a Roach.

 

It would be interesting to know the weight and what water or type of water it was caught from.

 

Great fish.

 

i would be 100 per cent certain that its either a roach/rudd or roach/bream hybrid. Beause of the two toning i would tend to favour the bream with roach the dominate gene.

 

body shape is just completely wrong for a genuine roach. lovely fish, but no one will convince me thats a kosher roach.

[chalky632007]

Yeah, but what's that fish it's holding?

hi all im colin from fife in scotland [who caught this fish], lol i know i can scare rats off a dump at 100 yards there as far as i know no bream in that water ,i honestly dont know myself if its a roach or not , it;s weight was 4lb on the nose. i was fishing for carp at one of the scottish carp group waters called culcreuh castle loch its open for anglers who are guests of the castle and anglers who are members of the scottish carp group its known as fintry in stirlingshire. was caught on a squid and octopus boilie [15mm] topped off with arti maize over a bed of hemp. only 1 single bleep not much of a fight either , at first i thought it was a small carp or a tench. thanks for everyones opinions its very much appreciated tight lines.....colin w.

[poledark]

Hi Chalky, first pic def a hybrid,

2nd pic I would give it Roach,

3rd and 4th pics, hybrid,

 

 

Stick with the second pic

 

 

Seriously can't think what it is a hybrid with...Orfe maybe?

 

Den

[chalky632007]

Hi Chalky, first pic def a hybrid,

2nd pic I would give it Roach,

3rd and 4th pics, hybrid,

Stick with the second pic

Seriously can't think what it is a hybrid with...Orfe maybe?

 

Den

hi den cheers m8, mabie its like the new bayern munich footbll stadium it changes colour in the dark [but there all the same fish ]....tight lines ....chalky.

[ayjay]

It's a nice fish but definitely not a pure Roach (imo).

 

The caudal and dorsal are not red in roach but greyish.

 

There is a distinct hump behind the dorsal which is very Breamy, (the hump not the dorsal), I've not noticed that before on big Roach. (see pic below)

 

The two tone effect is also Breamy as noted by Mark Barrett.

 

The mouth doesn't really look right to me for Roach in any of the pics except maybe one.

 

Just for comparison, here's one I caught earlier, and to the best of my knowledge it's a true Roach

 

[Vagabond]

There is one diagnostic feature that stands out, particularly in pics 1 and 3

 

The front of the dorsal fin is (in a vertical plane) WELL BEHIND the origin of the pelvic fins.

 

That is a strong characteristic of rudd.

 

So it is a hybrid of rudd with SOMETHING !

 

Very interesting - t'other parent might be roach, bream, orfe or chub (that's IMHO in descending order of likelihood).

 

I'm going to have a closer look at the pics this evening, using my Adobe magnifying facilities.

 

No matter what it is, its a super fish, and well done Colin (chalky). Don't let anyone tell you "its only a hybrid", its a splendid catch in its own right.

Edited June 28, 2007 by Vagabond

[Vagabond]

Yeah, but what's that fish it's holding?

 

 

A bigger one than your's mate

[Brian Carragher]

Looks like a roach to me

 

Big river roach especially from deep water tend to have that distinctive hump in the back, well at least on the Tees they do

 

Fins look right with the right amount of colour, big roach/rudd hybrids I've caught are well washed out of colour , having no red in any of the fins and are usually a brighter silver colour along the flanks