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[Ken L]

I'm well aware of what constitues a suposedly "safe shot" because my father has been into shooting for more than 30 years.

I've also been hit twice by shotgun pellets on windy days with the last incident occuring last year when I was on a public footpath along the Severn with a 3 year old, a 2 year old and a couple of other family members and both myself and my father getting hit on seperate occasions in the space of 5 minutes.

 

So, having been shot twice, I think I'm entitled to an opinion.

[medwaygreen]

I'm well aware of what constitues a suposedly "safe shot" because my father has been into shooting for more than 30 years.

I've also been hit twice by shotgun pellets on windy days with the last incident occuring last year when I was on a public footpath along the Severn with a 3 year old, a 2 year old and a couple of other family members and both myself and my father getting hit on seperate occasions in the space of 5 minutes.

 

So, having been shot twice, I think I'm entitled to an opinion.

 

Having been shot twice and still here you are definitely entitled to an opinion, however your term used is properly not accurate.

You may have been showered with some fallout of pellets from either and shooting party, clay pigeon shoot or someone rough shooting, but you were most certainly not shoot.

Fallout from shooting days is a frequent occurrence and if in an area that may be affected notices should have been posted so that you would have the choice should you wish to avoid such situations.

Your experience is part and parcel of country life and perhaps if you live in such an area contact the gamekeeper and offer your services for beating duty you will most definitely enjoy the day get paid and not be showered with pellets that are falling like raindrops.

Edited January 7, 2008 by medwaygreen

[Guest Rabbit]

I hate to pick on newish members but there speaks a man without a clue.

 

Understanding gang culture and the causes isn't the hard part. Effecting change is and In the event, educate them to be a better person is not gonna do it.

 

Note that I do not pretend to have THE answer that would be acceptable to society at large and in fact, it seems that no one does, but the professionals in the States who've been dealing with armed gangs for years have amassed a large body of knowledge about what does not work.

 

Education is the only answer Newt, arming the police and public has proved to be a total failure, its time for a rethink on attitudes to gangs and gun crime. To be honest America is not a model we would want over here in that its is macho to own a gun. And thats the rub, its 99% image to own a gun, its Kudos, thats why educating these people will have an effect.

It used to be OK to drink and drive it was our right to have One For The Road, it is no longer socially acceptable,Why?

Education thats why.

[five bellies]

And if you are deaf through having done so much shooting, and are carrying on a perfectly legal practice on private land and the feds turn up because some tw@t anti with a mobile phone has called them because 'there's someone with a gun'?

 

How come the police can assault someone by pointing a gun at them and not be sued?

 

 

Conductive Hearing Loss through Shooting I have it!!! and its my own fault!

I dont take my gun To Nat west the post office nor the Jewlers, when socialising I dont tuck it in my waste band down my belt or go drinking with it, Tony U and I the other day saw a chap pull out a hunting Riffle in a pub to show it to someone We where appauld.

 

If you are a shooting man Jim wich you appear to be, you as you know observe the Etiqeute that surrounds the sport,

You will also genraly whilst transporting a weapon be as unobvious about it as you can, If I am shooting off my Patch a phone call to the local Ye oldie Bill its good manors. on my own patch I am either Known,by all or on a shooting ground where fire arms are the norm also as far as I am aware the police rarely shoot poeple in the back without at least making the effort to say hello( with one obvious exeption). and as far as I am aware no one in this country has ever been shot by the police whilst in legal posetion of a sporting Gun on private land I would love to see the example if you have one.

Edited January 7, 2008 by five bellies

[starlight]

when i was a kid i was in a gang and we used to roam the streets. we did not carry knives or guns and we never named our selves. we used to get into scraps and if you was unlucky you got a bit of a hiding. today if you come out of a scrap with just a bit of a hiding you would of been lucky. what have the kids got today that we never had? rap music, the whole gang culture springs from that american crap!

[Jim Roper]

as far as I am aware no one in this country has ever been shot by the police whilst in legal posetion of a sporting Gun on private land I would love to see the example if you have one.

 

Plenty of incidents where people involved in legal activities on private land have had police guns pointed at them. Any person, who is used to handling guns, expects to be shot if he sees one pointed at him. We give the local police a list of all our permit holders and they still come out. All they have to do is check the vehicle registration in most cases. Bring back the village bobby!

 

More people have been killed by falling pheasants than falling shot!

Edited January 8, 2008 by Jim Roper

[five bellies]

Plenty of incidents where people involved in legal activities on private land have had police guns pointed at them. Any person, who is used to handling guns, expects to be shot if he sees one pointed at him. We give the local police a list of all our permit holders and they still come out. All they have to do is check the vehicle registration in most cases. Bring back the village bobby!

 

More people have been killed by falling pheasants than falling shot!

 

 

Namely ?

 

Im sorry jim, You are a bit older than me I think, But Ive been moving in shooting circles for years and I nor my assosiates have ever expeiranced being held up by the police In fact Ive never even been asked to show my licence by a Bobby other than when the fire arms Officer was a serving Policeman not a Civi wich is a bit of a worry realy.

 

Secondly If the situation You describe where to happen How in gods name could you critise the police for turning up prepared for the the worse, if they are investigating an alleged tresspass or crime involving a fire arm being nice and a big smile puts you at a bit of a dissadvantage if it turns out that the armed poeple where bad guys.

 

Or maybe im wrong

 

 

I saw an old pall of mine hit sqaure in the face by a falling goose out on the marshes once, It knocked him out cold, I suppose it was lucky it never broke his neck,

Edited January 8, 2008 by five bellies

[Jim Roper]

Namely ?

 

We've had 2 incidents in the last few years locally when the ARU have turned up, once with a helicopter, to interfere with people that have been legally flighting wildfowl.

[five bellies]

So they had you under a gun from a Hellipopter ?

 

Jim you use the term Interfere, Rather than investigate would you rather allegations of the missuse (True or other wise) of fire arms were over looked and uninvestigated.Its a shame that your day was interupted but as a responcible gun owner shorely you can understand why, we must be lucky in Kent as I said Ive never had a problem But I dont think Id mind being checked out ,in fact I Know I wouldnt,

 

Are you a bit Anti police ? as I see it the whole piont of the certificate system is to be able to prove that you are legaly in possestion of a fire arm. At some piont the responibility of checking that has to fall in someones lap, out in the field it is only logical to assume that the police would do it, Would you be happy to investigate Gun fire armed only with a smile. In all the years you have shot Two incidents of the nature you discribe isnt that bad is it, If you feel that they where heavy handed or indeed frightening there is always the police compliants commision, any alegation of abuse of office will be taken serouisly.Ask any copper who has been subject to an investigation.

Edited January 9, 2008 by five bellies

[captain cojones]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/7179352.stm

 

heres another one from swindon,i wonder if the yob would have had a go at the copper if he thought he might get shot?