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  1. 1. Smoking or Non-smoking? If the pubs / clubs and bingo hall managers had the choice of Smoking or Non-Smoking for their estasblishment , what would the majority vote be?

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What puzzles me is , why ?

To what real goal will it ACTUALLY serve?

Who exactly are the minority?

 

The minority are mostly those who kept screaming about second-hand smoking, and doctors who kept shoving out statistics that show how smoking will kill everyone in the world unless we ban it from public places (including bus shelters (really, you cannot smoke in bus shelters!)).

 

Apart from the reduced revenue from drinking in pubs, it's also led (as far as I've seen) to a large increase in a certain type of litter on the streets.

 

Even if I was going to stop smoking, I would not do that right now because it would look as if I'd stopped because of the ban in public places. If I give up smoking it will be on my own terms, in my own time, and no Government will force it upon me by stupid bans. And if any council or social workers visiting my house complains about the smoke, they are free to stand outside in the p*ssing rain whilst I stand in the kitchen and talk to them!

 

I'll be the first to agree that smoking is filthy habit that costs a fortune to feed , but , as a smoker i choose to do it and put my hand in my pocket and pay the money for em.

 

I get them from abroad, costs less than half what it does here.

John S

Quanti Canicula Ille In Fenestra

 

Species caught in 2017 Common Ash, Hawthorn, Hazel, Scots Pine, White Willow.

Species caught in 2016: Alder, Blackthorn, Common Ash, Crab Apple, Left Earlobe, Pedunculate Oak, Rock Whitebeam, Scots Pine, Smooth-leaved Elm, Swan, Wayfaring tree.

Species caught in 2015: Ash, Bird Cherry, Black-Headed Gull, Common Hazel, Common Whitebeam, Elder, Field Maple, Gorse, Puma, Sessile Oak, White Willow.

Species caught in 2014: Big Angry Man's Ear, Blackthorn, Common Ash, Common Whitebeam, Downy Birch, European Beech, European Holly, Hawthorn, Hazel, Scots Pine, Wych Elm.
Species caught in 2013: Beech, Elder, Hawthorn, Oak, Right Earlobe, Scots Pine.

Species caught in 2012: Ash, Aspen, Beech, Big Nasty Stinging Nettle, Birch, Copper Beech, Grey Willow, Holly, Hazel, Oak, Wasp Nest (that was a really bad day), White Poplar.
Species caught in 2011: Blackthorn, Crab Apple, Elder, Fir, Hawthorn, Horse Chestnut, Oak, Passing Dog, Rowan, Sycamore, Willow.
Species caught in 2010: Ash, Beech, Birch, Elder, Elm, Gorse, Mullberry, Oak, Poplar, Rowan, Sloe, Willow, Yew.

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I rarely go to the pub anymore, deciding to live in the sticks pretty much put paid to my social life, but on the rare occasion I do venture out these days, the pubs round here seem to be full of people having food and one or two drinks, which doesn't make for a particularly 'pubby' atmosphere, which in turn means I'm a lot less likely to return.

 

The smoking ban is the worst thing ever to happen to the licensed trade from what I can see, the competition from booze cruise imports and general drinking at home was the first nail in the coffin, but how can pubs compete when you can't even have a cig!

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Aye , same here with the cigs.

 

Our local is already £500.00 a week down on takings (my father in law is chairman of committee , CIU) and the general consensus in our local from smokers and non-smokers alike is that the ban has pretty much killed off the atmosphere of the club. With cheaper and cheaper prices of alcohol on the leading supermarkets this has pushed the arm of the smoker out of the club and into his house watching the tv.

 

I thought the pub / club was a place for a person to go to unwind and socialise? I see it almost everytime i go out to the club....someone strikes up a conversation and the 'popular' one goes out for a smoke followed by other smokers and NON smokers just to keep up with the conversation.

 

I don't think it will be in place for much longer (the ban) , i hope!!

Fishing is fishing , Life is life , but life wouldn't be very enjoyable without fishing................ Mr M 12:03 / 19-3-2009

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The smoking ban is the worst thing ever to happen to the licensed trade from what I can see, the competition from booze cruise imports and general drinking at home was the first nail in the coffin, but how can pubs compete when you can't even have a cig!

 

You are absolutely right there Jeeps. I know that a few pubs have had to close due to the ban, and others are now working on a shoestring whereas before they were making a healthy profit. It will of course have a knock-on effect with the breweries because less beer will be required.

 

As I see it now, why should I have to stand outside like some leper to have a smoke, when I can buy beer a lot cheaper from the supermarket or offy and drink at home (or at friends homes) instead?

John S

Quanti Canicula Ille In Fenestra

 

Species caught in 2017 Common Ash, Hawthorn, Hazel, Scots Pine, White Willow.

Species caught in 2016: Alder, Blackthorn, Common Ash, Crab Apple, Left Earlobe, Pedunculate Oak, Rock Whitebeam, Scots Pine, Smooth-leaved Elm, Swan, Wayfaring tree.

Species caught in 2015: Ash, Bird Cherry, Black-Headed Gull, Common Hazel, Common Whitebeam, Elder, Field Maple, Gorse, Puma, Sessile Oak, White Willow.

Species caught in 2014: Big Angry Man's Ear, Blackthorn, Common Ash, Common Whitebeam, Downy Birch, European Beech, European Holly, Hawthorn, Hazel, Scots Pine, Wych Elm.
Species caught in 2013: Beech, Elder, Hawthorn, Oak, Right Earlobe, Scots Pine.

Species caught in 2012: Ash, Aspen, Beech, Big Nasty Stinging Nettle, Birch, Copper Beech, Grey Willow, Holly, Hazel, Oak, Wasp Nest (that was a really bad day), White Poplar.
Species caught in 2011: Blackthorn, Crab Apple, Elder, Fir, Hawthorn, Horse Chestnut, Oak, Passing Dog, Rowan, Sycamore, Willow.
Species caught in 2010: Ash, Beech, Birch, Elder, Elm, Gorse, Mullberry, Oak, Poplar, Rowan, Sloe, Willow, Yew.

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Aye , same here with the cigs.

 

Our local is already £500.00 a week down on takings (my father in law is chairman of committee , CIU) and the general consensus in our local from smokers and non-smokers alike is that the ban has pretty much killed off the atmosphere of the club. With cheaper and cheaper prices of alcohol on the leading supermarkets this has pushed the arm of the smoker out of the club and into his house watching the tv.

 

I thought the pub / club was a place for a person to go to unwind and socialise? I see it almost everytime i go out to the club....someone strikes up a conversation and the 'popular' one goes out for a smoke followed by other smokers and NON smokers just to keep up with the conversation.

 

I don't think it will be in place for much longer (the ban) , i hope!!

 

You posted this whilst I was typing :rolleyes:

 

I have heard that there is a rally being held in London (?) soon about the ban. Whether it will do any good is debateable though. There was a major petition going round before the ban came into force, and that did as much good as a fart in a gazebo....

John S

Quanti Canicula Ille In Fenestra

 

Species caught in 2017 Common Ash, Hawthorn, Hazel, Scots Pine, White Willow.

Species caught in 2016: Alder, Blackthorn, Common Ash, Crab Apple, Left Earlobe, Pedunculate Oak, Rock Whitebeam, Scots Pine, Smooth-leaved Elm, Swan, Wayfaring tree.

Species caught in 2015: Ash, Bird Cherry, Black-Headed Gull, Common Hazel, Common Whitebeam, Elder, Field Maple, Gorse, Puma, Sessile Oak, White Willow.

Species caught in 2014: Big Angry Man's Ear, Blackthorn, Common Ash, Common Whitebeam, Downy Birch, European Beech, European Holly, Hawthorn, Hazel, Scots Pine, Wych Elm.
Species caught in 2013: Beech, Elder, Hawthorn, Oak, Right Earlobe, Scots Pine.

Species caught in 2012: Ash, Aspen, Beech, Big Nasty Stinging Nettle, Birch, Copper Beech, Grey Willow, Holly, Hazel, Oak, Wasp Nest (that was a really bad day), White Poplar.
Species caught in 2011: Blackthorn, Crab Apple, Elder, Fir, Hawthorn, Horse Chestnut, Oak, Passing Dog, Rowan, Sycamore, Willow.
Species caught in 2010: Ash, Beech, Birch, Elder, Elm, Gorse, Mullberry, Oak, Poplar, Rowan, Sloe, Willow, Yew.

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You are absolutely right there Jeeps. I know that a few pubs have had to close due to the ban, and others are now working on a shoestring whereas before they were making a healthy profit. It will of course have a knock-on effect with the breweries because less beer will be required.

 

As I see it now, why should I have to stand outside like some leper to have a smoke, when I can buy beer a lot cheaper from the supermarket or offy and drink at home (or at friends homes) instead?

This is the defining question John , why is the government upholding this law? It most certainly will create a huge whole in the treasurys fund which MUST be filled. I can't seem to understand the method in their madness. 10 5 years from now , what will the club-pubscene be like ? Eradication of all things bad is the outlook i seem to see , starting with smoking , creating this life into a sterile and somewhat boring life full of TAX!!!!!

Fishing is fishing , Life is life , but life wouldn't be very enjoyable without fishing................ Mr M 12:03 / 19-3-2009

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I thought the pub / club was a place for a person to go to unwind and socialise? I see it almost everytime i go out to the club....someone strikes up a conversation and the 'popular' one goes out for a smoke followed by other smokers and NON smokers just to keep up with the conversation.

 

My favourite uncle died a few weeks ago, an (almost) life long smoker and drinker, he finally succumbed to cancer in his late sixties (he was also incidentally the man who was most instrumental in me starting fishing, so without him I wouldn't be here annoying you lot, but that's another story) After the funeral, we went to his local Working Mens Club and we spent more or less the whole afternoon sat on the wall outside smoking, or chatting to smokers. All this despite the fact that he died as an (in)direct result of years of tobacco abuse. The fact is that by the time people are old enough to drink in licensed establisments, they're also old enough to make their own mind up about what other toxins they take into their bodies. I'm not much of a tobacco smoker but I find post smoking ban pubs to be amongst the most joyless places on earth.

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My favourite uncle died a few weeks ago, an (almost) life long smoker and drinker, he finally succumbed to cancer in his late sixties (he was also incidentally the man who was most instrumental in me starting fishing, so without him I wouldn't be here annoying you lot, but that's another story) After the funeral, we went to his local Working Mens Club and we spent more or less the whole afternoon sat on the wall outside smoking, or chatting to smokers. All this despite the fact that he died as an (in)direct result of years of tobacco abuse. The fact is that by the time people are old enough to drink in licensed establisments, they're also old enough to make their own mind up about what other toxins they take into their bodies. I'm not much of a tobacco smoker but I find post smoking ban pubs to be amongst the most joyless places on earth.

Sorry to hear about your Uncle Jeepster , he sounded like a good man.

The last line of your post will unfortunately fall on deaf ears or blind eyes to the powers that be as these IDIOTS running the ban openly state that 'post-ban' there hasn't been any significant drop in takings of pubs / clubs , infact theres actually a rise .................EH? Who are these numb-nuts??

Fishing is fishing , Life is life , but life wouldn't be very enjoyable without fishing................ Mr M 12:03 / 19-3-2009

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I'm a smoker, but I've not found this ban to be too much of a problem. When we go out for meals, we always choose a non-smoking table. It's not nice breathing in smoke when you're eating. It would be nice to sit and relax with a cigarette afterwards, but I'm not so desperate that I can't wait until I get outside.

 

Having said that, it also means that we don't frequent the pub as much as we used to. We used to go for a couple of pints in the evening, relax and have a game of dominoes or backgammon. Sometimes the couple of pints would stretch to several...now we just go home after one.

 

Janet

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He was a good man, a committee man for his club and a life long angler, he started more kids fishing than I've had hot dinners. I have the unenviable job tomorrow of going through his fishing tackle and trying to work out what's worth selling and what isn't, I'm not looking foward to it, and will probably just tell my Auntie it's worth X amount, give her a cheque and stick it in the garage, the thought of reducing his passion to an amount of money isn't something I want to do! That's not the point here though, but one thing I love about AN is that threads about random things can result in people like me giving their friends and family a strange kind of memorial!

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