E U. Should we stay or should we leave.

[corydoras]

Check out the successful management of the fishing grounds around Iceland and Norway. Not only are they abundant but they stretch out to the 200 mile limit of their respected EEZs. They also support thriving fishing fleets, communities and export businesses.

But 50% of the Norway catch British housewives (and househusbands) would not know what to do with.

[Ken L]

Sadly true. We are an island, surrounded by seas that should abound with cod and other species and yet through EU mismanagement and being sold out by politicians, we eat imported catfish from south east Asia....

[big_cod]

 

You obviously haven't read this paragraph within kens link HAVE YOU. The first four lines ought to make you wake up and smell the coffee, but as usual you will ignore the facts.

 

Clearly it touches on the effects caused by fishermen, however the main point being raised is the management or lack of it. You are now attempting to attribute the blame outside of the e u, yet the discussion is e u managed waters. If you wish to move outside of e u waters, consider the continent of Africa where there is and has been blatant over fishing to the detriment of those who rely on those fish to bloody well eat. Most shortages off that continent are caused by e u boats, where the e u pays the individual countries for permission to fish their waters. As a side issue can you see the e u paying the u k to fish the u k waters once the u k leaves. I ruddy well hope so and I hope that the e u management is going to stand up to e u decimation.

 

quote:

4. Discussion

Since 1983, when the CFP came into force, sustainability has

been the stated core goal of EU fishery policy. However, management

under the CFP has driven many stocks further away from this

objective. A meta-analysis of European fish stocks during the past

half century showed that the CFP has failed to have any clear positive

effect on marine fish stocks (Sparholt et al., 2007). The decline

of European fish stocks is well-documented, with 88% now overexploited

relative to maximum sustainable yield targets and 46%

fished outside safe biological limits (Condé et al., 2010). Recent

studies (Piet et al., 2010; Villasante et al., 2010) and our own research,

reveal the scale of overshoot that competitive ministerial

bargaining driven by short-term national interests has produced.

It is clear from our analysis that political mismanagement must

bear a considerable share of the responsibility for this decline.

Decision-making by competitive bargaining has shown a reckless

disregard for scientific advice which has been produced at a high

cost to taxpayers. The remainder of the blame could be attributed

to other management failures such as the shortcomings of quota

management, heavy subsidies, high levels of discarding, high grading

and non-compliance with fishery regulations. No matter how

well these other deficiencies are addressed in the forthcoming reform

of the CFP, productive and sustainable fisheries will not be

achieved if Fisheries Ministers cavalier disregard for scientific advice

continues. Over the long-term, our simulation modelling suggests

that such behaviour virtually guarantees the collapse of fish

stocks, thus the practice amounts to institutionalised mismanagement

of fisheries.

Over fishing has depleted fish stocks and whats your anser about all the prosecutions for over Fishing 1000s tons of fish over quota putting pressure on stocks quotas were implemented by the EU and totally IGNORED by fishermen biiggerand bigger boats catching more and more fish thats why stocks collapsed this delusion the EU is to blame is biggist pile of crap you could dream up they implement quotas which were IGNORED check the prosecutions for over quota landing by British vessels but as your an expert on the matter if we took away all quotas and let Fishing boats go to sea they would be bankrupt in less than a month but a lot of ex trawlermrn has diversified to shellfish you obviously wouldn't know but have have now realised that there job is in peril because 90% of shellfish they land goes to EUROPE they might have just shot them selves in foot but hey Barry who was it who got us into this the TORYS and who is going to leave us in it THE TORYS what do you think about that they gave it all away in the first place and will continue to sacrifice the fishing industry so stop winging about the fishing industry barry you havent a leg to stand on . Edited March 13, 2018 by big_cod

[chesters1]

Over fishing has depleted fish stocks and whats your anser about all the prosecutions for over Fishing 1000s tons of fish over quota putting pressure on stocks quotas were implemented by the EU and totally IGNORED by fishermen biiggerand bigger boats catching more and more fish thats why stocks collapsed this delusion the EU is to blame is biggist pile of crap you could dream up they implement quotas which were IGNORED check the prosecutions for over quota landing by British vessels but as your an expert on the matter if we took away all quotas and let Fishing boats go to sea they would be bankrupt in less than a month but a lot of ex trawlermrn has diversified to shellfish you obviously wouldn't know but have have now realised that there job is in peril because 90% of shellfish they land goes to EUROPE they might have just shot them selves in foot but hey Barry who was it who got us into this the TORY PARTY and who is going to leave us in it THE TORY PARTY what do you think about that they gave it all away in the first place and will continue to sacrifice the fishing industry so stop winging about the fishing industry you havent a leg to stand on .

Why didnt labour get us out if its such a bad idea ,you seem to like it ,cheap holidays and cheap fags and cheap labour

Why did labour drop us further in the mire in the 18 years they had to run the place

The tories got us into the eec labour took us into the EU and the mess that is

The Maastricht Treaty was the biggest sellout possible its gave the country to germany and its puppets brussels

Edited March 13, 2018 by chesters1

[Ken L]

Educate us about discards - that seems to be the proper way to avoid "over quota landing".

I'm interested to learn how chucking dead fish over the side preserves stocks.

[corydoras]

Educate us about discards - that seems to be the proper way to avoid "over quota landing".

I'm interested to learn how chucking dead fish over the side preserves stocks.

I know this much. I often hear how brilliant Norwegian and Icelandic fisheries are compared to the CFP of the EU. Many don't seem to know that the by-catch and discard policy of the EU CFP are based on the Icelandic and Norwegian models.

[big_cod]

Educate us about discards - that seems to be the proper way to avoid "over quota landing".

I'm interested to learn how chucking dead fish over the side preserves stocks.

What do you do for a living ken ever been on trawler thats a no then chucking dead fish back over the side really bad aint it so whats your anser then keep everything you catch and catch and catch no quotas then !!!!!!! you see ken if there is a way to cheat the system it will be done selective grading you know what that is dumping a good fish its is going on as we speak its nothing to do with the fish being no good its the bigger fish bring a better price at the fish market dump the smaller ones which are worth less do not believe everything you read in the papers its rubbish you will be only fed what they want you to believe.

 

 

As for discards they were ridiculous in the 80s and 90s you could walk on cod here off the Yorkshire coast but overfishing seen to that 15 trawlers here just at Whitby alone all Landing roughly a 1000st of cod a week each boat and dumping as many juvenile cod as well thats 15,000 st of cod a week was it sustainable NO discards were crazy down to small meshes the last survey done around here was with a Whitby trawlers he trawled for 2 hours and when they lifted the net they had around 400 cod in the net they discarded around 100 undersize that was going on day in day out with 15 boats sustainable NO so thats exactly where we are now I Arent saying some Eu boats werent Cheating they will have been but the EU they did try to suppress the ovefishing with quotas but nobody took any notice so the damage was done thats the history in the decline of the cod off the Yorkshire coast once self sufficient to every fish shop for miles around and a far south as London .

 

Just as an example the same happened on the Grand Banks fishermen telling the authorities everything is fine till nearly the last fish was caught then bang the stocks collapse no EU at the Grand Banks .

Edited March 14, 2018 by big_cod

[barry luxton]

Ken L, on 13 Mar 2018 - 21:18, said:

Sadly true. We are an island, surrounded by seas that should abound with cod and other species and yet through EU mismanagement and being sold out by politicians, we eat imported catfish from south east Asia....

yup and e u imported bass and bream that is farmed, sunken eyed, grey looking with scales that haven't formed. That competes with size of a herring. While the dutch and French boats have cleared out the breeding stock in the channel. putting u k anglers and the charter boat industry on a bass ban. Well done to the e u cfp management system for protecting fish stocks. first class . And this is where the likes of b c are in denial. And cory hasn't got a clue, while salivating suckling his e u political tit.

[Ken L]

I know this much. I often hear how brilliant Norwegian and Icelandic fisheries are compared to the CFP of the EU. Many don't seem to know that the by-catch and discard policy of the EU CFP are based on the Icelandic and Norwegian models.

It is now more than 30 years since Norway introduced a ban on discards and the EU only introduced partial controls on discards in the 2012 revision of the CFP. And yes, the Norwegian model was an influence on that revision. That doesn't change the fact that the EU has grossly mismanaged European fisheries, with up to 70% of landable fish being wasted prior to the latest reform.

 

The current discards ban is very recent and only came into force due to a combination of the real threat of total population collapse and public pressure helped along by a TV cook!

Edited March 14, 2018 by Ken L

[Ken L]

"What do you do for a living ken"

I sit on by arse in an office that's about as far from the sea as it's possible to get.

 

"ever been on trawler".

Nope. Been on lots of commercial fishing boats but not a trawler.

 

"so whats your anser then keep everything you catch"

Yep. Keep your target fish, find a lower price market for your non-target fish and land and sell everything else at an even lower price to be processed into fishmeal.

 

"As for discards they were ridiculous in the 80s and 90s you could walk on cod here off the Yorkshire coast but overfishing seen to that".

So you're not completely blind to the EU's mismanagement of the fishery, whether due to ignoring the scientific advice on sustainable quotas, allowing inappropriate mesh sizes or forcing skippers to discard tons of marketable fish.

 

"Just as an example the same happened on the Grand Banks fishermen telling the authorities everything is fine till nearly the last fish was caught then bang the stocks collapse no EU at the Grand Banks" .

The Grand Banks were an international free for all until Canada imposed it's EEV in 1976 and even then, they couldn't do much in the way of enforcement until fishermen alerted scientists to a problem in 1986. By 1992, they were forced to close the fishery.

No, there was no EU, but here were the same insane fishing practices that the EU permitted

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The spatial trends exhibited by the globally reconstructed discard data for 1950–2014 presented here mirror the general North to South trends in the expansion of global fisheries (Gelchu & Pauly, 2007; Swartz, Sala, Tracey, Watson, & Pauly, 2010). Such discarded catch represents a generally hidden impact of fisheries. This is illustrated for the early decades in the Northwest Atlantic, where discards in the waters now known as the East Coast EEZ of Canada (i.e. most of the Grand Banks) exceeded landed catches by a substantial margin (Divovich, Belhabib, Zeller, & Pauly, 2015).

Edited March 14, 2018 by Ken L