E U. Should we stay or should we leave.

[big_cod]

lies and bias !!!! Soft Brexit? Hard brexit ? No Brexit

 

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1189897/Brexit-News-Nigel-Farage-update-latest-today-Boris-Johnson-October-31-talks-no-deal

Edited October 13, 2019 by big_cod

[Ken L]

The only way we don't leave on 31 October is if Boris Johnson sends a letter requesting an article 50 extension and all 27 other member states agree to that extension.

 

Boris Johnson does not want to send this letter - and has said that he would rather be dead in a ditch than send it. He has also regularly made it quite clear that it is neither his, nor his government's, policy to do so.

[Phone]

ha ha - for whoever,

 

churlish - rude in a mean-spirited and in a surly way. Hugh to Cod

 

childish dribble - immature defense mechanisms to manage the stress. Cod to Hugh

 

​Hugh and Cod, their discourse is a microcosm of BREXIT -

 

"THIS TOO SHALL PASS" - or if you are British

"KEEP CALM AND CARRY ON"

 

Phone

Edited October 13, 2019 by Phone

[chesters1]

The only way we don't leave on 31 October is if Boris Johnson sends a letter requesting an article 50 extension and all 27 other member states agree to that extension.

 

Boris Johnson does not want to send this letter - and has said that he would rather be dead in a ditch than send it. He has also regularly made it quite clear that it is neither his, nor his government's, policy to do so.

28 member states we are still in it! We can also use our vote to veto an extension if we play clever!

[Ken L]

Actually, it's simpler than that.
Boris Johnson has been threatened with legal action, contempt of court proceedings and even imprisonment by his opponents, if he does not comply with the requirements of the Benn Act. The Court of Session in Edinburgh even has a case against him left open to take action should he refuse to send that letter.

What that amounts to, is the UK representative for these Article 50 negotiations is being coerced personally by threats to follow a particular course of action, against his will to bind the UK to the EU treaties for a further period of time.

Article 51 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties (to which the UK signed up to on the 25th of June 1971)which is sometimes called "the Treaty on Treaties" says:

Article 51. COERCION OF A REPRESENTATIVE OF A STATE

The expression of a State's consent to be bound by a treaty which has been procured by the coercion of its representative through acts or threats directed against him shall be without any legal effect.

So, by using threats against Boris to force him to be the UK representative, they render anything that he signs null and void - and we leave on 31 October.

[Phone]

All,

 

Since the EU is based on treaties. The head of state, in England at lease, can leave with or without parliament. In this case, for better or for worse, he can leave after having had an election and exercise "the will of the people." Neither the crown nor parliament has taken any factual steps to usurp that vote.

 

He will be on firm ground on Oct. 31 without some significant changes between now and then. English custom is the "traditional rule of law"

 

Phone

 

My 413th last post in this thread

[Huge_Vitae]

All,

 

Since the EU is based on treaties. The head of state, in England at lease(SIC), can leave with or without parliament. In this case, for better or for worse, he can leave after having had an election and exercise "the will of the people." Neither the crown nor parliament has taken any factual steps to usurp that vote.

 

He will be on firm ground on Oct. 31 without some significant changes between now and then. English custom is the "traditional rule of law"

 

Phone

 

My 413th last post in this thread

Just felt the need!

[big_cod]

 

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/sheffield-pro-eu-campaigners-say-majority-residents-interviewed-want-new-public-vote-brexit-814846

[gozzer]

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/sheffield-pro-eu-campaigners-say-majority-residents-interviewed-want-new-public-vote-brexit-814846

 

I asked some people the same question, and most said they wanted to leave without a deal.

 

Me suggesting that my statement proves anything, is as daft as suggesting the article in the Sheffield Star proves anything.

 

It seems you've gone right through the bottom of the barrel Paul, you're now just scraping mud. Still, it'll come in handy for slinging at anything you don't agree with I suppose.

 

John.

Edited October 15, 2019 by gozzer

[big_cod]

 

I asked some people the same question, and most said they wanted to leave without a deal.

 

Me suggesting that my statement proves anything, is as daft as suggesting the article in the Sheffield Star proves anything.

 

It seems you've gone right through the bottom of the barrel Paul, you're now just scraping mud. Still, it'll come in handy for slinging at anything you don't agree with I suppose.

 

John.

No disrespect John but would you agree to a peoples vote or would you be afraid of the outcome after all the poison by the leave campaign about the EU would you now be afraid to give the people the final outcome if your confident happy days mate home and dry . Edited October 15, 2019 by big_cod