E U. Should we stay or should we leave.

[Phone]

Steve,

 

Why not here? You being AN politically correct?

 

Phone

[chesters1]

Some people will vote red just to stop blue getting in so i guess theres those out there who for anything to stop it even knowing its the wrong decision but those proposing it are unliked by the voter

Many will not vote for ukip because they cannot stomach farage but have nothing against ukips manifesto (not that manifestos mean anything today).

I think the outcome is going to be close ,the eldest remember what the germans really are and the young have had 40 years of brainwashing to except brussels trouble is its seems to be herr merkle who runs the eu! After all she overturned the dublin convention single handed ,every time the eu is mentioned she pops up

Edited June 20, 2016 by chesters1

[barry luxton]

communism,you have two cows,the state takes both and gives you some milk,Socialism,you have two cows,you give one to your neighbour,Fascism,you have two cows,the state takes both and sells you some milk,Bureaucratism,you have two cows,the state takes both,shoots one,milks the other,and then throws the milk away.An Italian Corporation,you have two cows,but you do not know where they are,you decide to have lunch.A French Corporation,you have two cows,you go on strike,organise a riot,and block roads,because you want three cows.A Swiss Corporation.you have 5.000 cows,none of them belong to you,you charge the owners for storing them.A Greek Corporation,you have two cows,borrowed from French and German banks,you eat both of them,the banks call to collect their milk,but you cannot deliver so you call the IMF,the IMF loans you two cows,you eat both of them,the banks and the IMF call to collect their cows/milk,you are out getting a hair cut.An Irish Corporation,you have two cows,one of them is a horse.An American Corporation,you have two cows,you sell one,and force the other to produce the milk of four cows,later ,you hire a consultant to analyse why the cow has died,A Chinese Corporation,you have two cows,you have 300 people milking them,you claim that you have full employment and a high bovine productivity ,you arrest the newsman who reported the real situation.An Indian Corporation,you have two cows,you worship both of them.A British Corporation,you have two cows,the government gives them both to the EU.

[Phone]

Barry,

 

May be worth your reading time before Thursday.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/06/18/how-brexit-could-hurt-america/

 

Phone

[barry luxton]

took me about 3 seconds to get the drift phone. if the e u is soooooooo good for all, why don't the u s of a join the federal super state as well. At the moment, or for a long time now the e c b has been printing money hand over fist to kick start the e u economy as it is in the doldrums. It's a failed experiment creating massive un-employment. it's looking for expansion all the time, who's gonna pay for that? The countries it is looking at don't have two beans to rub together. Dave dave has already used economic shock are the u s of a copying clamity dave?

 

The e u needs reform desperately, the unelected guys running it don't give two hoots about the tax payers, one of them even claims that the populist vote needs ignoring. My interpretation of that is, these guys know what is good for all and they are going to impose it. They can s @ d right off. How would you like it if mexico told you when to hang your washing out.

 

btw the pound was up today, speculators speculating, that's what they do, it will be alright on the night when the yes or no is decided. If it's a slight win for the inners, then more uncertainty will follow. As sure as night follows day there will be a vote of confidence for dave by his fellow m p's. If the vote is out. Then the e u organ grinders will have to decide to either reform or close it down as other countries will insist on a vote.

 

how do you fancy open borders phone? the e u is similar to a huge Bernie Madoff scheme, but worse with it's social engineering, using tax payers money to remove manufacturing from the u k then allowing the u k to import with no restrictions, waiters, fruit pickers, bum washers, car washers to name a few. How would you like it phone, sits ok with you?

Edited June 20, 2016 by barry luxton

[corydoras]

Barry,

 

May be worth your reading time before Thursday.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/06/18/how-brexit-could-hurt-america/

 

Phone

They don't care Phone. Edited June 20, 2016 by corydoras

[barry luxton]

reposted this for you phone as the e u organ grinders don't give a toss about the u k it only want's it's money:

 

very many jobs have been created within the e u, enjoy: Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant ...in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.

Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK, I used to contract out to many, then the work just dried up as they were sold off to companies from France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc., and now we don't even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations.

I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.
I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.

Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't. If you think the EU is a good idea,
1/ You haven't read the party manifesto of The European Peoples' Party.
2/ You haven't had to deal with EU petty bureaucracy tearing your business down.
3/ You don't think it matters
Original source Adam Evans ( via Facebook )

[barry luxton]

Barry,

 

May be worth your reading time before Thursday.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/06/18/how-brexit-could-hurt-america/

 

Phone

 

 

back at you phone

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-36564808

 

what trump supporters are saying:

 

"We need to close the borders... It has to be done the right way and they can't just come into our country and expect us to take care of them, take our jobs, and then for us to have to support them, and all the things America has to do to help them out.

"That's not being ugly about anybody or not liking people or not wanting to help people. It's just that it needs to be done the right way. We have so many people in our country that we need to help as well." - Peggy Smith Shortt, South Carolina, May 2016

"My ancestors were immigrants from Ireland in the 1700's, and I support legal immigration in the way our forefathers intended it to be. The current immigration system is broken and millions are taking advantage of it, while having a negative impact on the entire US." - Nascar driver David Ragan, May 2016

Edited June 20, 2016 by barry luxton

[big_cod]

back at you phone

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-36564808

 

what trump supporters are saying:

 

"We need to close the borders... It has to be done the right way and they can't just come into our country and expect us to take care of them, take our jobs, and then for us to have to support them, and all the things America has to do to help them out.

"That's not being ugly about anybody or not liking people or not wanting to help people. It's just that it needs to be done the right way. We have so many people in our country that we need to help as well." - Peggy Smith Shortt, South Carolina, May 2016

"My ancestors were immigrants from Ireland in the 1700's, and I support legal immigration in the way our forefathers intended it to be. The current immigration system is broken and millions are taking advantage of it, while having a negative impact on the entire US." - Nascar driver David Ragan, May 2016

 

 

The mans a hooking loon a clever hooker with sheds loads of money ,

[barry luxton]

here's some for you big cod, remember dave dave telling all that turkey won't join till 2030?

 

well at the bottom of this post there's something that you might just want to tell dave dave that he has got it wrong again. did you see how the man was floundering attempting to answer questions with bluster last night? any way enjoy this vote in you know it makes sense

 

EU To Fine States Quarter Of A Million Euros For Every Migrant They Reject

The unelected executive arm of the European Union (EU), the Commission, wants to fine member states €250,000 for every migrant they refuse to resettle.

The draconian ‘pay-to-not-play’ sanctions are designed to revive and enforce their faltering mandatory relocation programme, to “fairly and equally” distribute hundreds of thousands of migrants across the continent.

If implemented, the fines would make it almost impossible for some states to keep their borders closed to non-EU migrants. Poland, for example, with its quota of 6,200 migrants this year, would have to pay €1.5 billion to uphold the democratic will of the Polish people by not admitting ‘refugees’.

According to the Financial Times, one EU official said, “the size of the contribution might change but the idea is to make it appear like a sanction.”

The initial proposals to “relocate” at least 120,000 migrants was undemocratically forced through the EU Parliament in September last year – against the will of the people and government’s of Romania, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary.

By January this year, however, the Commission reported that only 272 had been relocated.

Countries that declared themselves open to unlimited numbers of migrants, inviting millions into the continent, like Germany, were for the plan. Those that decided not to invite migrants continued to resist the plans.

Victor Orban, the Hungarian Prime Minister, has said the forced relocation scheme is an example of the EU’s “illiberal democracy”, whereby liberalism and multiculturalism are enforced on member states via totalitarian means. He has vowed to continue to resist the plan.

Even though Britain is exempt from the plan, because it is not a member of the Schengen area, Commission First Vice President Frans Timmermans said the UK should consider partaking, as the issue is “extremely important. They really want to cooperate in this.”

According to Politico, the EU Commission also yesterday gave the green light to a plan to grant visa-free travel to 80 million Turks, despite Turkey’s failure to meet conditions for free movement, and massive resistance from member states and the EU parliament.

“There must be no watering down of the rules on visa liberalisation for Turkey,” said Manfred Weber, leader of the Parliament’s largest political group, in a statement Wednesday. “It is hard to understand why the Commission is now proposing visa liberalisation despite Turkey not meeting all the criteria.”

However, Mr. Timmerman insisted Turkey would get no “free ride” and was expected to meet all criteria before the end of June, including on measures related to corruption, cooperation with EU law, data protection, counter-terrorism and press freedom.

This morning it was reported that the Turkish president is plotting to unseat his Prime Minister in a “grab for absolute power”. Last year, the government raided the country’s leading opposition newspaper and reoriented it as pro-government. The state is also accused of war crimes against Kurds in the East.