E U. Should we stay or should we leave.

[barry luxton]

Barry,

 

May be worth your reading time before Thursday.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/06/18/how-brexit-could-hurt-america/

 

Phone

 

 

is this history repeating it's self phone?

 

Macmillan left Edward Heath to take matters forward, and Heath, along with Douglas Hurd, arranged — according to the Monnet papers — for the Tory Party to become a (secret) corporate member of Monnet’s Action Committee for a United States of Europe.

According to Monnet’s chief aide and biographer, Francois Duchene, both the Labour and Liberal Parties later did the same. Meanwhile the Earl of Gosford, one of Macmillan’s foreign policy ministers in the House of Lords, actually informed the House that the aim of the government’s foreign policy was world government.

Monnet’s Action Committee was also given financial backing by the CIA and the US State Department. The Anglo-American establishment was now committed to the creation of a federal United States of Europe.

Today, this is still the case. Powerful international lobbies are already at work attempting to prove that any return to democratic self-government on the part of Britain will spell doom. American officials have already been primed to state that such a Britain would be excluded from any free trade deal with the USA and that the world needs the TTIP trade treaty which is predicated on the survival of the EU.

Fortunately, Republican candidates in the USA are becoming Eurosceptics and magazines there like The National Interest are publishing the case for Brexit. The international coalition behind Macmillan and Heath will find things a lot more difficult this time round — especially given the obvious difficulties of the Eurozone, the failure of EU migration policy and the lack of any coherent EU security policy.

Most importantly, having been fooled once, the British public will be much more difficult to fool again.

Alan Sked is the original founder of Ukip and professor of International History at the London School of Economics. This piece was co-published with The Telegraph

[barry luxton]

just what is wrong with the e u when our nhs is having the euro 'p' taken out of it:

 

The table below provides information about how much the UK paid to other EEA countries and Switzerland, and how much was paid to the UK for NHS provided treatments. Visitors from other countries are charged directly
for their healthcare.

EEA Medical Costs Member State Claims (against UK)UK Claims (against EEA, Switzerland)
2014-152014-15
Austria£5,473,017 £366,756
Belgium£5,816,026 £4,323,308
Bulgaria£255,924 £363,911
Cyprus£10,132,385 £347,045
Czech Republic£617,758 £471,140
Denmark (Waiver)N/A N/A
Estonia (Waiver)N/A £154,928
Finland (Waiver)£10,047 £243,740
France£147,685,772 £6,730,292
Germany£25,873,954 £2,189,664
Greece£2,682,953 £1,732,047
Hungary (Waiver)£412£22,196
Iceland£295,943 £11,331
Ireland£215,313,962 £19,214,031
Italy£7,304,484 £1,510,850
Latvia£14,725 £300,319
Liechtenstein £193£0
Lithuania£283,625£293,616
Luxembourg£683,410 £75,151
Malta (Waiver)N/AN/A
Netherlands£8,655,688 £3,251,412
Norway (Waiver)£30,370£0
Poland£4,336,701£1,523,402
Portugal£6,351,400£700,653
Romania£13,330£498,354
Slovakia£438,715£124,348
Slovenia£266,623£107,948
Spain£223,290,021£3,412,338
Sweden£1,918,038£1,367,213
Switzerland£6,672,560£400,131
Total£674,418,036£49,736,125

NHS 'Scandal' As UK Pays Millions To EU

The UK pays more than £670m to EU countries for Britons' healthcare abroad, while claiming back less than £50m from the EU.

New figures show the NHS is paying out millions more for EU healthcare than it is claiming back from EU countries.

In what one MP described as a "scandalous failure", it has
emerged that the UK pays more than £670m to EU countries for Brits' healthcare abroad, while claiming back less than £50m from the EU, even though there are significantly more EU citizens in the UK than UK citizens in the EU.

Even in countries such as Poland where net migration is massively towards the UK, the discrepancy is four-fold in Poland's favour.

MP John Mann, who obtained the figures in a parliamentary
question, told Sky News that "logically the UK should be receiving more than it pays out".

He estimates "the real cost is a billion pounds a year".

Mr Mann told Sky News: "Other countries are recharging and we are not.

"The figures are astonishing - we are paying them 70 times more than they are paying us.

"We are paying our bills and they are not paying theirs - because the British NHS is not recharging them.

"There is meant to be a comparable system in place - but it
is not being applied in this country and that means we are losing out.

"Every single country is winning against us, be it the super-efficient Swedes or Germans, or countries like Malta or Greece.

"It's a huge scandal.

Under the European Health Insurance Card (EHIC) - countries
can claim back health costs from other EU countries if their citizens use medical services abroad.

The new figures reveal that nearly every country claims more from the UK than the UK claims back from the rest of the EU.

For example the UK pays France £147,685,772, but France only pays UK £6,730,292

and the UK pays Germany £25,873,954 but Germany only
pays the UK £2,189,664

The Department of Health said: "This Government is determined to make sure our NHS isn't abused - our tough new measures to clamp down on migrants accessing the NHS are expected to recover more than £500m a year by 2018 and we're extending charges further to other parts of the
NHS including A&E."

"We pay more out than we receive, partly because a far greater number of British pensioners live in other EEA countries."

For example, there are 70,000 UK pensioners living with Spain.

However, Sky News learned that while the UK does not reclaim
A&E expenses for EU citizens - Spain is among countries that do.

The Department of Health told Sky News: "It is up to each country in the EU about what health services they charge for."

Mr Mann described the pensioner explanation as a "myth".

He told Sky News: "We're not sending pensioners to Poland, only 30,000 UK citizens are living in Poland.

"There are over half a million Poles in this country and yet
we are paying four times more to Poland for health care recharges, than they pay to us.

"The NHS is losing out on huge amounts of money every single week

[corydoras]

How is this the fault of other countries? Once I took my nipper to the doctor here. His mother forgot to put his EHIC card in his bag with his other paperwork. The doc told me it would make no difference because the local NHS trust had "no mechanism in place", his words, to reclaim fees for treatment on an EU EHIC card.

[barry luxton]

quite clear based on monies in and monies out that the u k nhs would benefit not being part of this scam scheme.

[Vagabond]

My reading of the situation is that the Brexit cause is lost.

 

A nutter murdered Jo Cox, and by doing so has unleashed a wave of public sympathy for the "remain" lobby. The less scrupulous members of that lobby have not been slow to capitalise on the situation. Read the AN thread on the murder, look at the piles of flowers shown on TV, listen to the eulogies being delivered, and consider how that might affect the undecided, the not-very-well informed and the emotive voter.

 

Its illogical, but the issue has shifted from "EU or not" to "terrorism or not" - with an obvious answer.

 

Conspiracy theorists might have a field day in speculating if the assassin was deliberately wound up by the opposition - a plot more appropriate to "Game of Thrones" than a civilised society.

 

Whatever, the real issues have been lost sight of. I hope I am wrong, but it looks like the gravy train will roll on.

[gozzer]

I've got the same feeling Dave, I've had it for a while.

This campaign has brought out the worst in people from both sides, negative, opinions based on personalities, character assassination, half truths, mistruths, bare-faced lies, threats, blackmail, bewilderment, tempered with the usual dollop of indifference from some.

We keep hearing that this is the most important decision that we will make, but in the same breath they have made a mockery of it, and brought it down to the lowest level, the whole thing has become a farce.

I fear that whatever the result, the animosity will linger for a long, long, time, and those that let the 'genie out of the bottle', will come to regret what they have started.

 

John.

[Vagabond]

Yes John, everything the cynics forecast and worse.

 

Perhaps the only good thing that has emerged is that a few more eyes have been opened to what a shabby shower our politicians are.

[chesters1]

Then stop electing them then

Its crazy if you went to buy a light bulb and found only a broken one would you still buy it? The political system we have is undemocratic ,broken full of liars crooks and self obsessed bits of scum yet people still elect them to carry on being in a broken undemocratic system full of liars crooks self obsessed scum

The houses of commons wasnt made to give power to the masses rather give power to the elite over the king ,it must be galling to the lot of them the unwashed masses have any input at all ,we saw that with browns remark about the lady mentioning foreigners (or whatever) ,behind the scenes i bet in between the drinking of the finest wines and scoffing of the finest food the voter is regarded as the village idiot whos used every few years to let them carry on scoffing and drinking

The only time they will give a damn for good old blighty is when their jobs threatened ,they will soon join the masses if brussels decides to retire them early and take full control

Edited June 21, 2016 by chesters1

[barry luxton]

i was more than happy with the conservatives until Cameron did a 180 with the failings of the euro club and then worse of all, claimed he had a piece of paper that had a reformed euro club deal written on it. The blo ody liar

[barry luxton]

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