E U. Should we stay or should we leave.

[Anderoo]

Interesting times is a euphemism. God forbid we live in 'interesting times'. We live in dark times.

[John S]

The one thing I'm worried about is how it will affect science and the UK's role in (for eg) the ESA. Tim Peake has recently returned from the ISS and was set to go up there again at some point, but how will Brexit affect his chances of that happening?

[barry luxton]

And not a single shot was fired. Well done everyone - we've just gone back 20 years. Goodbye Scotland, good luck Northern Ireland, goodbye Great Britain. So long international investment. Bye jobs. Farewell britain's brightest youngsters and good luck to the rest who have no choice but to stay. Hello again recession and the resurgence of the far right. No change to movement of labour and that 350m is not for the NHS after all. The world is staggered by our ignorance and xenophobia - London and a few other international cities excepted. I dare you to tell us in 5 years it was worth it.

thanks I did me best. Jobs did you say, the e u where good at exporting them from the u k, here's a few and tax payers money was used to do this as well. Jobs you say, the u k had 13% of it's fishing waters left while the e u managed one of the most productive fishing waters in the world and effectively killed it with their over bloated subsidised e u fishing fleets. more than happy with the prospect of the u k taking control of this management, yes of course the e u boats will be allowed access, only on u k terms though. and I'm b l o o dy ecstatic that this years new e u legislation directed at killing off the u k charter boat bass fleet, it will soon be worth bog paper.

 

latest on investment: quote ftse 100 brexit bounce back, doom-mongers stunned as the u k's biggest blue chip companies ended the week worth more than at the start of the week. The pound also rallied.

 

The e u was given the chance when Cameron went in with his begging bowel and was shafted by those stupid ignorant arrogant e u management megalomaniacs

 

very many jobs have been created within the e u, enjoy: Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.

Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.

Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant ...in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.

Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.

British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.

Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.

Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.

M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.

Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.

Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.

Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.

Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.

Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.

Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.

ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs

Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.

JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.

UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.

Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.

Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.

The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.

Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.

39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU

The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.

 

Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK, I used to contract out to many, then the work just dried up as they were sold off to companies from France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc., and now we don't even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations.

 

I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.

I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.

 

Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't. If you think the EU is a good idea,

1/ You haven't read the party manifesto of The European Peoples' Party.

2/ You haven't had to deal with EU petty bureaucracy tearing your business down.

3/ You don't think it matters

Original source Adam Evans ( via Facebook )

 

Edited June 25, 2016 by barry luxton

[chesters1]

The one thing I'm worried about is how it will affect science and the UK's role in (for eg) the ESA. Tim Peake has recently returned from the ISS and was set to go up there again at some point, but how will Brexit affect his chances of that happening?

Obscurity like the first brit up there?

[Ken L]

The one thing I'm worried about is how it will affect science and the UK's role in (for eg) the ESA. Tim Peake has recently returned from the ISS and was set to go up there again at some point, but how will Brexit affect his chances of that happening?

ESA and the EU are not synonymous. They have different member States and are governed by different rules and procedures. Only 20 per cent of the funds managed by ESA originate from the EU budget

In short, there is no reason why the UK should not remain an active ESA member.

The ERC is another matter but one of the great strengths of U.K. research has always been its international nature, and that is rarely confined to a cosy local group of European collaborators these days as students increasingly come to the UK from around the world and collaborations are global.

[Andrew]

Michael Gove: Politician Reportedly in Talks With Boris Johnson to Lead UK After Brexit Vote

Gove is teaming up with former London mayor Boris Johnson in a bid to take control of the Conservative party after the resignation of Prime Minister David Cameron, multiple reports said.

[Andrew]

i think people are now regreting the leave vote !

Edited June 25, 2016 by Andrew

[Ken L]

i think people are now regreting the leave vote !

And your evidence for that is?

[Andy_1984]

And your evidence for that is?

 

someone on the news.

[Rusty]

i think people are now regreting the leave vote !

I think those 'remainers' who thought it was a foregone conclusion and so didn't vote are regretting it more, might be a fair few among these petitioners;

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36629324