E U. Should we stay or should we leave.

[gozzer]

While I understand when the Government says that business doesn't like uncertainty, and it prevents future planning, I struggle to understand why they can't say the same about uncontrolled immigration. If a Government can't predict, or even have an educated guess, about a country's future population, then how can they plan, housing, roads, hospitals, schools, etc?

 

John.

[chesters1]

While I understand when the Government says that business doesn't like uncertainty, and it prevents future planning, I struggle to understand why they can't say the same about uncontrolled immigration. If a Government can't predict, or even have an educated guess, about a country's future population, then how can they plan, housing, roads, hospitals, schools, etc?

 

John.

They cant or dont care because it doesnt effect them because thats why 16 years ago you could turn up at 8.30 in the morning pick up a number and be seen by a doctor now you wait a fortnight to see one ,thats why in the same period my mrs was seen ontime or before for her physio now has her appointments cancelled or waits an hour today

And its nothing to do with understaffing the doctors then was 2 doctors and two nurses now it 4 docs and six nurses and the old hospital was demolished and one 25% bigger built a rise in the population of over 6 million is the cause and its probably not all down to us ethnics breeding like flies

Unfortunately the scum that rule us historically bolt the door after the horse has bolted and not built a far stronger door with better bolts and weld them shut

Edited November 22, 2016 by chesters1

[big_cod]

 

I was going to say sarcasm is the lowest form............................ however your not even that good at that are you.

 

Now tell us all why the e u is so good for the u k, bet you can't. Second thoughts, I know you can't.

Funny. Barry turn it around so what's going to be so good when we leave pound rock bottom massive uncertainty with trade and no 350 million a week for the NHS we allready make are own laws nobody swimming the channel the bass ban still in place CFP to be carried forward it's all going to go horrible wrong for you Barry the bulkshit farage peddled just like trump as he will water down most of it this government are petrified of brexit it could' be there downfall .

 

The only thing I agree with is this government is the response to trump this morning regarding farage nothing doing !! Wow loved that response made my day .

Edited November 22, 2016 by big_cod

[barry luxton]

Funny. Barry turn it around so what's going to be so good when we leave pound rock bottom massive uncertainty with trade and no 350 million a week for the NHS we allready make are own laws nobody swimming the channel the bass ban still in place CFP to be carried forward it's all going to go horrible wrong for you Barry the bulkshit farage peddled just like trump as he will water down most of it this government are petrified of brexit it could' be there downfall .

 

The only thing I agree with is the government is the response to trump this morning regarding farage nothing doing loved that response made my day .

the bass ban is e u legislation where they now insist they have the right to govern up to our shoreline. The result of the ban was due to the most excellent work the trust, TAT put in, not.

 

As said if you wish to remain in the e u, you will have a cod bag limit to explain to your anglers, is that what you really want?

 

Farage on Trump:

• “I didn’t go [to the Mississippi rally] to endorse Donald Trump, but he did, after I did my bit, he did say to me, you’ll be my friend for life. Well I tell you what, that’s not bad.” - September 2016

• “I thought he was like a big silverback gorilla prowling the studio” - October 2016, describing Trump’s performance in the second presidential debate

• “Trump likes the UK, talks about his mother’s Scottish birth, owns golf courses here and is entirely comfortable with our culture. More importantly still, he supported Brexit and he says post-Brexit Britain will be at the front of the queue when it comes to trade relationships. What a pleasant change this will make from Obama and Clinton who have looked down and sneered at us.” - November 2016

hope May doesn't discount the above, it will be to the detriment of the u k, nothing wrong with making farage a special envoy and you can laugh all you like.

Edited November 22, 2016 by barry luxton

[barry luxton]

ohh and what goes around.............................

As The Chicago Tribune reported on 18 December 1967, "[Ormsby-Gore] was among the first persons to be invited to lunch by the president-elect, and their meeting in the Carlyle Hotel in New York City was portentous.

"In fact, Jack Kennedy handpicked his old friend, though the British would never admit it.

"David's position as ambassador was doubtless discussed at the Carlyle lunch. And later when Prime Minister Macmillan brought up Ormsby-Gore's name, Kennedy leapt at the chance to say how pleased he would be by the appointment."

Of course, that appointment was based on personal, family links, not political endorsement.

So close were the families that Kennedy arranged for Ormsby-Gore and his wife and children to be given a place in the presidential nuclear bunker.

But the point stands: the president expressed a preference and the UK government acquiesced, albeit for very good reasons as Ormsby-Gore was a closer adviser to Kennedy than many of his cabinet.

Even in normal times, the White House would have a say over our man in Washington.

The Foreign Office recommends a candidate to the Palace, a name that has been signed off by Number 10.

The Queen agrees, Washington is informed, and the government then seeks formal consent.

So in theory, Mr Trump could veto the appointment.

But it very rarely happens.

[big_cod]

the bass ban is e u legislation where they now insist they have the right to govern up to our shoreline. The result of the ban was due to the most excellent work the trust, TAT put in, not.

 

As said if you wish to remain in the e u, you will have a cod bag limit to explain to your anglers, is that what you really want?

Farage on Trump:

• I didnt go [to the Mississippi rally] to endorse Donald Trump, but he did, after I did my bit, he did say to me, youll be my friend for life. Well I tell you what, thats not bad. - September 2016

• I thought he was like a big silverback gorilla prowling the studio - October 2016, describing Trumps performance in the second presidential debate

• Trump likes the UK, talks about his mothers Scottish birth, owns golf courses here and is entirely comfortable with our culture. More importantly still, he supported Brexit and he says post-Brexit Britain will be at the front of the queue when it comes to trade relationships. What a pleasant change this will make from Obama and Clinton who have looked down and sneered at us. - November 2016

hope May doesn't discount the above, it will be to the detriment of the u k, nothing wrong with making farage a special envoy and you can laugh all you like.

Barry you are a lost soul farage as the uk envoy to the USA I don't think do you actually know just how much this man is despised by so many in power he is a slime bomb when I saw him on stage with trump said it all no farage sealed his fate on stage with trump and rightly so.

[gozzer]

Funny. Barry turn it around so what's going to be so good when we leave pound rock bottom massive uncertainty with trade and no 350 million a week for the NHS we allready make are own laws nobody swimming the channel the bass ban still in place CFP to be carried forward it's all going to go horrible wrong for you Barry the bulkshit farage peddled just like trump as he will water down most of it this government are petrified of brexit it could' be there downfall .

 

The only thing I agree with is this government is the response to trump this morning regarding farage nothing doing !! Wow loved that response made my day .

 

Paul, when are you going to understand that there never was a promise of £350,000,000 a week for the NHS? I never saw one, it was never written on the side of a bus. What was written was an amount, (that was wrong to start of with), and a statement that we should spend more on the NHS. Members of the remain group, twisted the message to suit their purpose, the media printed it, and the gullible believed it, because they wanted/needed to. As simple as that. It was just one of the many things that were wrongly presented as fact, by both sides. The sad thing is that most of these that have been proven as not true, are still being peddled as facts. I can only assume that it's because some people are in complete denial, and will believe anything, regardless of whether it's true or not, just so long as it suits their particular argument.

 

John.

[chesters1]

I am afraid the blinkers are big in this one young jedi ,sense seen will never be

Edited November 22, 2016 by chesters1

[barry luxton]

Paul, when are you going to understand that there never was a promise of £350,000,000 a week for the NHS? I never saw one, it was never written on the side of a bus. What was written was an amount, (that was wrong to start of with), and a statement that we should spend more on the NHS. Members of the remain group, twisted the message to suit their purpose, the media printed it, and the gullible believed it, because they wanted/needed to. As simple as that. It was just one of the many things that were wrongly presented as fact, by both sides. The sad thing is that most of these that have been proven as not true, are still being peddled as facts. I can only assume that it's because some people are in complete denial, and will believe anything, regardless of whether it's true or not, just so long as it suits their particular argument.

 

John.

 

The side of the bus said:

 

"We send the EU £350 million a week ist line (that is the correct gross amount, less the diminishing c a p rebate for disparity, given back by brown)

Let's fund our NHS instead" 2nd line, nothing else, end of.

 

 

So in other words, instead of pouring our hard earned cash down the bureaucratic and corrupt EU plughole why don't we spend it on ourselves instead?

 

That's what the 17.4 million voted for.

Edited November 23, 2016 by barry luxton

[Sportsman]

What was said and what was implied was pretty obvious, especially when the 350 million was a a lie in any case.