E U. Should we stay or should we leave.

[John S]

Dear Santa.

 

YOU BASTARD!

 

John

 

PS, I've drank the brandy and eaten the mince pies.

 

PPS, I hope Rudolfs' nose falls off.

[chesters1]

Tee hee ,some days without idiotic repeating of reasons AN would have disapeared ,luckily the close season has befallen us and a few old names have cropped up so other threads besides this one may get a few posts

[corydoras]

I stopped contributing to this topic quite some time ago as opinions are so completely entrenched, it's about as bad as being in the EU.

 

That, however is going to get worse, just take a look below at what else is in the Lisbon Treaty:-

 

1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed.

2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s.

3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty.

4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. (This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen, the move is fully cancelled - but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.)

5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK.

6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today.

7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals.

8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs.

9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas.

10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights

11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights

12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 - as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty

13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation

14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent

15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy

16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them

17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealths

18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.: Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar etc

19: The UK loses control of its judicial system

20: The UK loses control of its international policy

21: The UK loses full control of its national policy

22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right.

23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program

24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction

25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty

26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020

And the Earth is flat.

 

https://fullfact.org/europe/viral-list-about-lisbon-treaty-wrong/

[Phone]

Ken,

 

Follow-up

 

"Finland’s leftist Social Democrats and the nationalist Finns Party emerged nearly tied to win Sunday’s general election, reflecting a mounting sense of insecurity in the Nordic nation over immigration, welfare and climate change."

 

Phone

[Ken L]

Ken,

 

Follow-up

 

"Finland’s leftist Social Democrats and the nationalist Finns Party emerged nearly tied to win Sunday’s general election, reflecting a mounting sense of insecurity in the Nordic nation over immigration, welfare and climate change."

 

Phone

 

We wont see much of that in our news. There was barely a mention of the recent Dutch election results.

Can't give the plebs the idea that right of centre views are acceptable can we now?

[big_cod]

Results .

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/14/finland-social-democrats-partial-election-result-leftwing

[Ken L]

That's more of an opinion piece than a news story. Here are the results. I look forward to the coalition talks.

 

No comment on the Dutch election?

How about Estonia?

[big_cod]

That's more of an opinion piece than a news story. Here are the results. I look forward to the coalition talks.

 

No comment on the Dutch election?

How about Estonia?

UKIP the Nationalists party made Hugh gains here in the uk only to be literally wiped of the map next time round the same will very likely happen in Europe.

We created the bulk of the migrant problem then look the other way .

Edited April 15, 2019 by big_cod

[Ken L]

We'll see.

We have Spain's election o 28 April and Vox are looking to do well and then we will have the EU parliament elections in May. There will be a few chess pieces moved before that happens but we can confidently expect a very strong showing from Lega and other parties standing for national sovereignty.

[Sportsman]

That list makes the operation fear brigade look like they were not really trying