E U. Should we stay or should we leave.

[Sportsman]

BTW, I was the one who voted for the UK staying in.

I did that because I believe that the UK staying in is better for the UK.

If you leave it won't affect me much so I don't have an axe to grind.

Also, if you are going to quote figures don't take them from a lying little toerag like Farage.

It does not cost the UK 55m / day, it is about half that.

[Phone]

Barry,

 

Ha ha, I'm at my best when I'm wrong (or don't know what I'm talking about). I live in a world where a colony of ants makes fantastic sense. Equally, I have never doubted that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world. It is the only thing that ever has made life worthwhile - say - Shakespeare or Beckett.

The inventiveness is, or at least never has been, limited by politics

You got me on cod fish and fishing boats????????????

It sound to me like you are not afraid of a "Super State" - - - You are afraid of a German "Super State"

 

While I disdain googles in this type discussion I am reminded of one of my favorites:

 

During the past two centuries when the peoples of the world were gradually winning their political freedom from the dynastic monarchies, the major banking families of Europe and America were actually reversing the trend by setting up new dynasties of political control through the formation of international financial combines... these banking dynasties had learned that all governments must have sources of revenue from which to borrow in times of emergency. They had also learned that by providing such funds from their own private resources, they could make both kings and democratic leaders tremendously subservient to their will." (Carroll Quigley)

 

Phone

 

Ohh and you ain't such a bad bloke either - at least from 4000 miles

[Phone]

Sportsman,

 

I certainly am not going to vote

The truth is so mundane I never use it for my references

But I kinda like this

 

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

 

 

George Orwell

[Now there's a right un.]

It is not the European Union it is Merkels Festung Europa.

 

Every decision made has Merkel lurking in the shadows. Greece is cowed due to German domination, the French although they claim they are equal do in fact occupy the same position as Mussolini's Italy in the axis union.

What Hitler failed by force of arms Merkel achieved via the pen and Euro.......

 

I hope she had washed her backside before Cameron went licking it.....

 

Mind you I do sincerely feel sorry for the European women who were subjected to serious sexual assaults perpetrated by those "poor refugees" or those two pensioners attacked for trying to save a woman on a train from another migrant attack. Poor refugees my A*se I would throw them back in the sea after what they've done without a boat or life jacket.

 

I say leave the EU, we never had a choice to even accept entry, and you watch how quickly a new Atlantic wall is built.

 

Federal Europe will not be allowed to die and Germany is now too powerful and too in control to be defeated.

My Grandfather would be rolling in his grave right now....He warned in 1947 that the American plan to rebuild Germany would lead to the creation of the Fourth Reich...was he right?

[corydoras]

It is not the European Union it is Merkels Festung Europa.

 

Every decision made has Merkel lurking in the shadows. Greece is cowed due to German domination, the French although they claim they are equal do in fact occupy the same position as Mussolini's Italy in the axis union.

What Hitler failed by force of arms Merkel achieved via the pen and Euro.......

 

I hope she had washed her backside before Cameron went licking it.....

 

Mind you I do sincerely feel sorry for the European women who were subjected to serious sexual assaults perpetrated by those "poor refugees" or those two pensioners attacked for trying to save a woman on a train from another migrant attack. Poor refugees my A*se I would throw them back in the sea after what they've done without a boat or life jacket.

 

I say leave the EU, we never had a choice to even accept entry, and you watch how quickly a new Atlantic wall is built.

 

Federal Europe will not be allowed to die and Germany is now too powerful and too in control to be defeated.

My Grandfather would be rolling in his grave right now....He warned in 1947 that the American plan to rebuild Germany would lead to the creation of the Fourth Reich...was he right?

Greece is is cowed because they want to sit on there fat asses all day, not pay any income tax, then retire when the are 55 and spend the rest of their life sitting on their fat asses playing Dominoes all day.

 

The Greeks owe somewhere around €22 billion - €30 billion in unpaid taxes.

 

The War was over 70 odd years ago, isn't it about time that chip fell off your shoulder by now?

[barry luxton]

Barry,

 

Ha ha, I'm at my best when I'm wrong (or don't know what I'm talking about). I live in a world where a colony of ants makes fantastic sense. Equally, I have never doubted that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world. It is the only thing that ever has made life worthwhile - say - Shakespeare or Beckett.

The inventiveness is, or at least never has been, limited by politics

You got me on cod fish and fishing boats????????????

It sound to me like you are not afraid of a "Super State" - - - You are afraid of a German "Super State"

 

While I disdain googles in this type discussion I am reminded of one of my favorites:

 

During the past two centuries when the peoples of the world were gradually winning their political freedom from the dynastic monarchies, the major banking families of Europe and America were actually reversing the trend by setting up new dynasties of political control through the formation of international financial combines... these banking dynasties had learned that all governments must have sources of revenue from which to borrow in times of emergency. They had also learned that by providing such funds from their own private resources, they could make both kings and democratic leaders tremendously subservient to their will." (Carroll Quigley)

 

Phone

 

Ohh and you ain't such a bad bloke either - at least from 4000 miles

 

Errm , cod, I forgot about the period following bse where the French for years would not allow u k imports at all. Then the French burned the u k lamb imports. As long as it suits that selfish country then alls well. Do they make a good euro state partner for the u k. I don't think so. Even to the extent where they ignore the rules that don't suit.

 

Here's a problem about equality and partnerships that could be the key to the super state being unbalanced:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35551876

 

And here is confirmation being locked into a super state regime has just as many negatives, this socialist government won't be around much longer as the few taxpayers will find it even more harder to tread water.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35343611

Edited February 12, 2016 by barry luxton

[barry luxton]

Greece is is cowed because they want to sit on there fat asses all day, not pay any income tax, then retire when the are 55 and spend the rest of their life sitting on their fat asses playing Dominoes all day.

 

The Greeks owe somewhere around €22 billion - €30 billion in unpaid taxes.

 

 

 

Yup, should have been dumped, not supported to fail yet again. They should have never had been allowed to join in the first case. Euro miss management at it's best.

 

It is not the European Union it is Merkels Festung Europa.

 

Every decision made has Merkel lurking in the shadows. Greece is cowed due to German domination, the French although they claim they are equal do in fact occupy the same position as Mussolini's Italy in the axis union.

What Hitler failed by force of arms Merkel achieved via the pen and Euro.......

 

I hope she had washed her backside before Cameron went licking it.....

 

Mind you I do sincerely feel sorry for the European women who were subjected to serious sexual assaults perpetrated by those "poor refugees" or those two pensioners attacked for trying to save a woman on a train from another migrant attack. Poor refugees my A*se I would throw them back in the sea after what they've done without a boat or life jacket.

 

I say leave the EU, we never had a choice to even accept entry, and you watch how quickly a new Atlantic wall is built.

 

Federal Europe will not be allowed to die and Germany is now too powerful and too in control to be defeated.

My Grandfather would be rolling in his grave right now....He warned in 1947 that the American plan to rebuild Germany would lead to the creation of the Fourth Reich...was he right?http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35551876

 

fixed it for you there's a right one. no shoulder chip, just missing a little back up detail.

[barry luxton]

quote Sportsman

 

BTW, I was the one who voted for the UK staying in.

I did that because I believe that the UK staying in is better for the UK.

If you leave it won't affect me much so I don't have an axe to grind.

Also, if you are going to quote figures don't take them from a lying little toerag like Farage.

It does not cost the UK 55m / day, it is about half that.

 

Errrm I have also added the imbalance regarding u k's e u imports and exports that's just under 10 billion per year, and that's with a weak euro zone btw, so nige ain't that far out.

 

Now tell us all about the u k positives to remain, I haven't seen anything what so ever yet. Don't mention the war, the shadow foreign secretary did that one yesterday. Made me puke that one. He did go one to mention employment, the u k is doing rather better than it's euro partner france isn't it. post 86 has reference to that.

Edited February 12, 2016 by barry luxton

[Phone]

All,

 

Had my say, I'll leave it to you all to settle the matter. Very interesting, the differing opinions.

 

Phone

[barry luxton]

All,

 

Had my say, I'll leave it to you all to settle the matter. Very interesting, the differing opinions.

 

Phone

 

 

 

Not so fast phone, quote you: I favor this treaty is “The Trans-Pacific Partnership" designed by Obama as a one world economy.

 

Can you tell me if the usa plan any time soon a schengan type agreement with it's neighbour Mexico?