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1 hour ago, big_cod said:

This  is getting really boring your beyond help .

Now this is just this year just another example of the destruction you condone and can you point me to anything that says dredging  is good for the marine environment .

 

 

 

https://www.scotsman.com/news/environment/insight-scottish-fishing-industry-fears-radical-measures-to-protect-marine-life-1-4930066

I can point you to the fact that you really don't read what you put up so I repeat it here, and there's a further snippet within your article that although the areas in question are not protected scalloping is carried out in 50% of those. So yet again seeing that you are bored, go back to your evidence and show us hundreds of square miles of sea bed that is laid bare. Next you will be screaming that all demersal trawling be banned. look it up if you don't understand.

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But fishing organisations claim the move is unnecessary and that existing measures, such as restrictions within MPAs, are enough. Some have argued that protections should be in place for “examples” of sea features such as flame shell reefs, rather than all of them.

Femke de Boer, inshore policy officer for the Scottish White Fish Producers’ Association (SWFPA) says better research is needed to prove scallop dredging is as destructive as some people claim.

“Many of our members fish for scallops in inshore waters,” she says. “We do recognise that features need to be protected but it must be proven that dredging actually does damage. If we have been fishing in a place for decades and the marine features are still there then is there really so much damage?”

 

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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22 minutes ago, barry luxton said:

I can point you to the fact that you really don't read what you put up so I repeat it here, and there's a further snippet within your article that although the areas in question are not protected scalloping is carried out in 50% of those. So yet again seeing that you are bored, go back to your evidence and show us hundreds of square miles of sea bed that is laid bare. Next you will be screaming that all demersal trawling be banned. look it up if you don't understand.

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But fishing organisations claim the move is unnecessary and that existing measures, such as restrictions within MPAs, are enough. Some have argued that protections should be in place for “examples” of sea features such as flame shell reefs, rather than all of them.

Femke de Boer, inshore policy officer for the Scottish White Fish Producers’ Association (SWFPA) says better research is needed to prove scallop dredging is as destructive as some people claim.

“Many of our members fish for scallops in inshore waters,” she says. “We do recognise that features need to be protected but it must be proven that dredging actually does damage. If we have been fishing in a place for decades and the marine features are still there then is there really so much damage?”

 

Who Says dredging doesn’t do any damage ? barry you  are a complete  fool Cannot  be arsed talking to somebody  who is totally clueless. 
 

And if your thinking about coming to Whitby to catch all those congers bring the times with you you will need it so you can do the crossword backwards .

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15 hours ago, chesters1 said:

Its not my claptrap its yours ,you said small wrecks are being dragged along by scallopers

 

this is a link that cod needs to read and fully understand, it appears to be balanced compared to his links that he now and again claims are the facts and nothing but the facts.  There are facts included that indicate rocks have been cleaned but certainly not stolen by the dredges. I agree to management requirements but not cods gung ho  closing down an industry.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=how+many+scallop+dredges+are+allowed+each+side+for+inshore+scalloping&form=PRHPC1&src=IE11TR&pc=EUPP_HCTE

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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18 minutes ago, big_cod said:

Who Says dredging doesn’t do any damage ? barry you  are a complete  fool Cannot  be arsed talking to somebody  who is totally clueless. 
 

And if your thinking about coming to Whitby to catch all those congers bring the times with you you will need it so can do the crossword backwards .

As this topic is closing down how about you opening a take the 'p' topic or a fisheries one, go on hero make a name for yourself.

Have a read of what's below following your crimbo dinner, I hear morrisons are dropping the name of brussels from sprouts due to Brexit some allege. Anyway you need to understand that scalloping needs management and what is posted below isn't new and many ifcas have already placed  restriction on the number of dredges each side to limit the size of the boats inshore. And with the many protected areas now on stream, your claim that all need to be banned is somewhat farcical. Note the word harvesting and also where even the bigger boats return to the same areas. You need re education mate.

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 The makeup of the vessels prosecuting the English scallop fishery varies significantly. At one extreme there are the large (up to 37metres in length) full time scallop dredgers, capable of pulling up to 42 scallop dredges in any weather and fishing continuously for days at a time. These vessels are often described as ‘nomadic’ due to the wide geographical areas they will fish - traditionally anywhere around the UK coast they believe there are significant quantities of scallops.  These vessels tend to fish intensely in an area until harvesting scallops becomes unprofitable. They will then move on to new areas but will return a number of years later when the scallop stocks have returned to a level where dredging for them has once again become viable. Due to this fishing pattern a large scallop dredger may operate in 4 or 5, or even more, areas and rotate around them over a period of several years. These nomadic vessels are exclusively English or Scottish. There are also large vessels prosecuting the fishery who will beam trawl for part of the year but switch to scalloping on an occasional seasonal basis, particularly if access to sole is limited. Recently there have been signs that this seasonality is breaking down and many of these vessels now target scallops all year round.
 
6. At the other end of the spectrum are the smaller, inshore vessels, including some who will only fish for scallops on a part time basis, and others who rely on scallops for the majority of their income. These vessels are restricted, primarily by their size, in the areas and weather that they can fish meaning that they are likely to dredge for scallops only in their local area. The catching capacity of these vessels is significantly lower than the large vessels due to the lower number of dredges they can tow. 
 
7. Maintaining a viable small scale scallop fleet requires a sustainable crop of scallops for harvesting over a full season.  In most instances this will be unachievable without some measure of protection from large vessels capable of fishing long trips, intensively in conditions which keep smaller vessels in harbour.  The large vessels can quickly deplete local grounds leaving local vessels with no fishable stock for the remainder of the season. This has been addressed successfully in the English 0-6 nautical mile (nm) zone where Inshore Fisheries and Conservation Authorities (IFCAs) have introduced byelaws (Annex 1) restricting the activities of larger vessels or prohibiting their access to the fishery completely. Outside of 6nm, IFCAS have no powers to introduce byelaws and there are currently no English national measures in place to restrict how and by whom these scallop grounds may be harvested.
 
8. In England, this effect on the small scale fleet has intensified over the past decade as a number of different scallop orders have been introduced elsewhere in the UK, each affecting a different region and introducing slightly different measures. This has had the effect of displacing effort; particularly larger sized scallopers who have been effectively prohibited or restricted in many areas of the UK. When the Scottish Order2 was introduced in 2003 it banned the use of more than 14 dredges per side anywhere in her waters, displacing the larger vessels, which use greater numbers of dredges, elsewhere. This was followed by Northern Irish and Welsh measures and, most recently, by the Isle of Man. 
 

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Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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good news for coastal communities, Corbyn, limp dems  and the e u will hate this. Boris did say you ain't seen nothing yet.

Goods entering free ports are exempt from import taxes and tariffs and often benefit from simplified regulations, helping bring economic success to locations such as Singapore and Hong Kong.

The UK is currently prevented from establishing such zones as an EU member, but by integrating free ports with local enterprise zones, they would become “super charged”, providing a major boost to regional economies.

According to a 2018 report by The Telegraph, if Mr Johnson was to build seven “supercharged free ports”, offering relief from customs and import tariffs together with enterprise zones that have tax incentives to boost investment, he could create as many as 150,000 jobs and add £9billion a year to the economy.

In August, Secretary of State of International Trade Liz Truss unveiled a new Freeports Advisory Panel to advise the Government on the establishment of up to 10 free ports, meaning the boost to the economy could be even higher.

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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18 hours ago, John S said:

As requested, at the end of January when we leave the EU, I'll close this thread.

 

 

 

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But John is it really the end of brexit because in reality it’s just the beginning  that’s the delusion by this lying government  with brexit the tears  finger pointing the running away  the blame game the best of brexit is  really   all to come all those running for cover hiding in the closet .

Great Britain becoming little Britain it will be so exciting moving away from our biggest trading partner it’s the easiest thing in the world (Liam Fox Quote ) ?

Many businesses about go to the wall all to come that’s the price of brexit which very soon will be exposed and could very quickly  could come all crashing down .

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/best-of-lbc/best-decade/james-obrien-rails-at-brexit-fraudsters/

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2 hours ago, big_cod said:

But John is it really the end of brexit because in reality it’s just the beginning  that’s the delusion with brexit the tears  finger pointing the running away  the blame game the best of brexit is  really   all to come all those running for cover hiding in the closet .

Great Britain becoming little Britain it will be so exciting moving away from our biggest trading partner it’s the easiest thing in the world (Liam Fox Quote )  dummy .

 

 lord Lawson this morning, former chancellor, look up the word global cod and the second to last paragraph is also financially correct, very subtle of the german economist:

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“But these are, of course, precisely the same bankers who some 15 years ago were saying it would be disastrous for the City if the UK were to keep the pound sterling and not adopt the euro.”

The Brexiteer also revealed how even a German economist and Financial Times European correspondent, Wolfgang Münchau, had agreed with him in saying that leaving the bloc would be particularly beneficial for Britain.

While launching an attack against europhiles, Lord Lawson added: “This eurocentricity I find appallingly parochial.

“While London is certainly not just a British financial centre, it is not just a European financial centre either.

“London is one of the only two truly global financial centres in the world.

“The other being New York and it is the only one in the European time zone – which is an advantage and one which of course will remain.”

He continued: “When I developed this case publicly for the first time earlier this year, I was surprised to find a strongly supportive article in the Financial Times, by their most knowledgeable perceptive European columnist, the German Wolfgang Münchau.

“Under the heading, Lord Lawson is right, he pointed out that for the United Kingdom, maybe different for some other countries, but for the United Kingdom, membership of the Single Market, carries higher costs than benefits.

“He concluded in these terms: ‘There may be reasons why the UK may wish to remain a member of the EU but, whatever they are, they are not economic.’”

 

Many thanks for adding the L B C link b c, as a member i'm entitled to leave comments,  obrian is  fixated with the e u's political federal expansionist regime.  Is that where you gain all your despondency from.

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Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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I agree that his thread has run it's course, but it only has a couple of pages, and 30 odd replies to reach the 'milestones of 1000 pages, and 10,000 replies. I realise that if we took out the repeats it would be a lot shorter, but no thread has achieved anywhere near this length, and it would be a shame, IMO, if it was closed before it did.

It's been a very divisive thread, and, I believe, has cost AN some members, but it's kept people posting during a very dry spell when not much else was happening. 

John.

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Angling is more than just catching fish, if it wasn't it would just be called 'catching'......... John

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7 hours ago, big_cod said:

This  is getting really boring your beyond help .

Now this is just this year just another example of the destruction you condone and can you point me to anything that says dredging  is good for the marine environment .

The Scottish government are to take a full review of the destruction of dredging  in inshore waters  around Scotland’s  coastline any  idea why that is .

It will happen in England it’s just a matter of time that’s if they want fish stocks to go to 60s and 70s levels otherwise they never  ever will .

 

 

https://www.scotsman.com/news/environment/insight-scottish-fishing-industry-fears-radical-measures-to-protect-marine-life-1-4930066

Still waiting for your proof that small wrecks are being dragged about ,if you make statements they need backing up

Believe NOTHING anyones says or writes unless you witness it yourself and even then your eyes can deceive you

None of this "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" crap it just means i have at least two enemies!

 

There is only one opinion i listen to ,its mine and its ALWAYS right even when its wrong

 

Its far easier to curse the darkness than light one candle

 

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4 hours ago, gozzer said:

I agree that his thread has run it's course, but it only has a couple of pages, and 30 odd replies to reach the 'milestones of 1000 pages, and 10,000 replies. I realise that if we took out the repeats it would be a lot shorter, but no thread has achieved anywhere near this length, and it would be a shame, IMO, if it was closed before it did.

It's been a very divisive thread, and, I believe, has cost AN some members, but it's kept people posting during a very dry spell when not much else was happening. 

John.

bump,

 

 couldn't resist,  :whistling:

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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