Ultimate bobbin

[Anderoo]

The rod I caught on was cast (some what unknowingly) to the feature (that Steve and I subsequently found a few years later from the boat!) to the extreme left of the swim.This was totally away from the ground baited area in front of me that I had the other two rods on.It was a worm (dendra) and corn (fake piece put on to secure worm) cocktail fished over a medium sized can of corn.The line was coming of the rod tip at quite an angle as I had the rods on a buzzer bar.Bobbin was my normal peg down ultra light on a drop of around 30".Rig was a running 1 1/4 ozs lead on a short "feeder boom"with a hi-tech 5lb mono hook length of around 15" .The line was fished quite slack due to being close in (around 20m down the bank but only 10-12m out).

 

I had two "full blown" liners about 20-30 mins before the take with the bobbin rising and then falling just short of the full drop.I had several "small" (2"-6") lifts also between the last big liner and the actual take. Unfortunately as I was cooking the evening meal at the time I wasn't watching the line beyond the rod tip (as I normally do after receiving liners) as diligently so cant say about any "twitching" (which I have also found most common when bream are over your rig/line)

 

So other than the fact that I was fishing for the bream intentionally and had baited two areas accordingly it was a bit of a fluke so cant really draw much from it.Certainly nothing untoward and much as any other SB/LSD water bream Ive caught.

 

Incidental the only reason I had placed the bait there was that I wanted to try an alternative approach with one rod to the "fill it in and wait" I was using on the other two.Also Steve had sugested that there was some form of feature there which he had caught (Perch or Bream?) from before. First time I had fished the swim and only my second time on the water so I had a quick feel around and found a definite depression that I interpreted as a gap in a bar running out from the bank(possible "pinch point") You could find it easily enough with both the marker and when you cast you could feel the difference in "drop" so knew you had it right. However it wasn't till several years later when I sounded it and marked it with "H" blocks from the boat then viewed it from the bank that we both realised/understood why it was potentially such a good spot!

 

If I get a break health wise this year I plan to fish it again and find mark/bait similar features.Heres hoping!

 

Budgie, if you hadn't had that rod in the pinch point, and had all 3 rods on the main baited spot, do you reckon the bream would have found it?

 

Also, as you were sharing a swim with Andrew (well, 2 swims next to each other) and cooking a meal, is it fair to say there was some talking and clanking on pans going on?

Edited January 20, 2011 by Anderoo

[Dick Dastardly]

Budgie, if you hadn't had that rod in the pinch point, and had all 3 rods on the main baited spot, do you reckon the bream would have found it?

 

Also, as you were sharing a swim with Andrew (well, 2 swims next to each other) and cooking a meal, is it fair to say there was some talking and clanking on pans going on?

 

I think the topography of the swim (as we now know) would have prevented the Bream or at least dissuaded them from coming in front of me and Andrew.

 

To your second question yes.We normally try to get all the "admin" out of the way by around 7 in the evening but were a bit late as I think we had been off socialising (it was a AN fish in) possibly Newts lure fishing demo?.

 

We were fishing (as once again later found out) well short of the first parallel bar in the "main area" at just past the bottom of the marginal slope.As such we were keeping the talking/movement between us to a minimum,but you know what the fish In's are like! We had a few tench from the main area but nothing spectacular.

 

[tincatinca]

Sounds like an hour or so with the pole just plumbing around could be helpfull. I have thought of doing this on a few occassions but never got round to actually doing it. Could also be adapted to accurate feeding.without too much disturbance. Food for thought.

[Dick Dastardly]

Despite Steve's "briefing" I still spent over an hour with the marker float.That's how I identified the base of the marginal slope and the location of the "feature" that Steve had suggested. Its such a complicated one though that even if I had spent more time on it I doubt I would have truly understood it!

 

When we checked it out from the boat it took the pair of us (and I think its fair to say we are both experienced with electronic sounders) a couple of hours making multiple passers from different directions,marking start/end points of bars with markers,viewing from the bank etc etc to really get a "minds eye" picture of what was down there.

 

Also to be completely honest I cant say exactly what part of it my fish came from or even decide which way to fish it with all this extra knowledge!

 

As you say Paul no time spent feature/depth finding is ever wasted! Its just that some times the extra information can leave you still in a quandary!

 

When myself and Rob first fished Rackley Hills Pit after the "legendary" (but to my mind now certainly imaginary!) "Beast" (a cat reputed to be in excess of 70lb,absolutely massive by any standards back then) we spent a whole long weekend mapping out the water (much to the amusement of the existing syndicate members) despite it only being a few acres.

[tincatinca]

Despite Steve's "briefing" I still spent over an hour with the marker float.That's how I identified the base of the marginal slope and the location of the "feature" that Steve had suggested. Its such a complicated one though that even if I had spent more time on it I doubt I would have truly understood it!

 

When we checked it out from the boat it took the pair of us (and I think its fair to say we are both experienced with electronic sounders) a couple of hours making multiple passers from different directions,marking start/end points of bars with markers,viewing from the bank etc etc to really get a "minds eye" picture of what was down there.

 

Also to be completely honest I cant say exactly what part of it my fish came from or even decide which way to fish it with all this extra knowledge!

 

It was just a thought that if close in features are within the range of a 16m pole then it should be fairly easy to get a picture of depth variability fairly quickly and probably more accurately than with a marker float. The only drawback being not to be able to feel the bottom.

[Anderoo]

Interesting!

 

Reminds me a bit of a swim where I had hours of liners but didn't catch (in January a few years ago). At the time I thouht I was fishing a gap between the margin and the start of a bar, but subsequently I found out this feature is actually 2 short bars parallel to the bank in a sideways V shape (they join at one end). So I still don't know which part of the swim I was fishing that night, and have never since felt like I've fished the swim properly!

 

As always, you can be so close to these fish, but so far from catching one.

 

I asked about the disturbance because I think that certain types of disturbance worries them, and other types doesn't seem to bother them as much.

 

PS it's so nice to see a picture of Wingham in May

Edited January 20, 2011 by Anderoo

[Dick Dastardly]

It was just a thought that if close in features are within the range of a 16m pole then it should be fairly easy to get a picture of depth variability fairly quickly and probably more accurately than with a marker float. The only drawback being not to be able to feel the bottom.

 

 

Certainly a lot quicker (well to be acurate any way) with a pole than a marker float Paul.

[Dick Dastardly]

Interesting!

 

this feature is actually 2 short bars parallel to the bank in a sideways V shape (they join at one end).

 

 

That's very interesting.It seems these "V"/"Y" features are definitely good for the Bream. Re enforces my decision to look for more the same.

[tincatinca]

PS it's so nice to see a picture of Wingham in May

 

Isn't it just. Every time I look at this one I start wishfull thinking

 

[Anderoo]

That's very interesting.It seems these "V"/"Y" features are definitely good for the Bream. Re enforces my decision to look for more the same.

 

Yes, do definitely seem worth identifying and fishing. I've got a day with the marker float coming up, hopefully that'll reveal a few secrets