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Theres lots of money in the NHS is just not spent wisely

Nowhere near enough though time for hard choices.

 

You only get what you pay for .

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/three-quarters-brits-would-pay-11955709

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big_cod, on 12 Feb 2018 - 09:32, said:

Nowhere near enough though time for hard choices.

 

You only get what you pay for .

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/three-quarters-brits-would-pay-11955709

 

 

is that the reason blair and brown spent billions of our grand kids money on public private partnership scam scheme, after they run out of tax payers money and gold reserves and skimming 5 billion off private pension funds anually?

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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is that the reason blair and brown spent billions of our grand kids money on public private partnership scam scheme, after they run out of tax payers money and gold reserves and skimming 5 billion off private pension funds anually?

And thatcher and co gave our family silver away in todays values at probably 10 times that figure great aint it dont throw stones in glass houses bas they all As bad as each other some more so .and this government has our debt at record levels how much a second !! Edited by big_cod

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If only it was as simple as just more money. Both parties have thrown more money at the NHS for decades with little noticeable effect.

It's not how big it is, it's how you use it. Did no-one ever tell you that?

Instead of trying to score cheap political points off each other, all sides need to collectively decide what the are going to do about it.

The fundamental concept needs to adapt to current requirements and I can only foresee some form of privatisation being incorporated into it. The question is, what form should that take?

There are many excellent examples found throughout the world where the state and private enterprise work together to produce a health care system that benefits everyone. The problem is that as soon as you mention privatisation everyone immediately assumes it would be the American system, one of the worst, least effective and most expensive systems there is.

If you were going to look at a new system, starting now, why would you copy that one.

It is an opportunity to take the best parts of several European systems and make what could easily be the best in the world.

BTW, it will never happen. This is the NHS we are talking about.

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If only it was as simple as just more money. Both parties have thrown more money at the NHS for decades with little noticeable effect.

It's not how big it is, it's how you use it. Did no-one ever tell you that?

Instead of trying to score cheap political points off each other, all sides need to collectively decide what the are going to do about it.

The fundamental concept needs to adapt to current requirements and I can only foresee some form of privatisation being incorporated into it. The question is, what form should that take?

There are many excellent examples found throughout the world where the state and private enterprise work together to produce a health care system that benefits everyone. The problem is that as soon as you mention privatisation everyone immediately assumes it would be the American system, one of the worst, least effective and most expensive systems there is.

If you were going to look at a new system, starting now, why would you copy that one.

It is an opportunity to take the best parts of several European systems and make what could easily be the best in the world.

BTW, it will never happen. This is the NHS we are talking about.

Correct both sides have chucked more cash in but without little affect sorry that doesnt tally we have an ageing population so the demand increases dramatically so if the funds dont increase we are stumped simple on real terms NHS funding has been cut thats not political points its fact real hard choices need to come either you want health care free or not labour conservative lib dems who ever need to get there heads together and sort it . Edited by big_cod

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Health care is not free.

The amount that both parties have chucked at it has increased over the years.

One of the biggest problems is waste, always has been.

That is fact, or should I say "these are facts"

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Health care is not free.

The amount that both parties have chucked at it has increased over the years.

One of the biggest problems is waste, always has been.

That is fact, or should I say "these are facts"

 

Health care is not free.

The amount that both parties have chucked at it has increased over the years.

One of the biggest problems is waste, always has been.

That is fact, or should I say "these are facts"

 

Very true Dave.

As you know, my daughter works in the NHS, and they have got a relatively new manager. This one is different to many of the others, partly because he started of as a nurse, and worked through the system. He also asks the staff for ideas, and listens to them. His most successful scheme so far has to do with waste disposal. After listening to the views of many of the staff, he devised a system of grading, and bagging waste for disposal, this has saved over £2,000,000 so far! That's just from the local trusts.

You can throw as much money into the NHS as you like, but until it's organised properly, then you might has well burn it.

The toaster in their canteen recently packed up, they were told to go through the proper channels to order another. Instead of the £40 one that they thought they would get, this one cost nearly £200, and it's been seen a hell of a lot cheaper elsewhere.

If patients haemorrhaged blood a small fraction of the way the NHS does money, then survival rates would be very low indeed.

 

John.

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There has always been a "plenty more where that came from" attitude in the NHS.

There is no incentive to be efficient.

When I was first promoted to charge nurse I was told by my manager to ensure that I overspent my budget each year, otherwise I would be allocated less the next year.

Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be.

 

 

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity

 

 

 

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The usual predictable doom and gloom.

My father has just had a Reverse Geometry Shoulder Replacement on the NHS.

In the midst of the press hysteria (and the start of this thread), he rang the hospital to check that all was well, only to be told that the hospital was completely unaffected and that difficulties were limited to a few centres with a large A&E service.

He turned up on time, had his surgery, was unable to fault the hospital, the staff or the standard of care and the switchover to physiotherapy at a more convenient local centre has been handled flawlessly.

He's currently pain free and engaging with rehab.

Personal costs involved - zero.

There is undoubtedly room for improvement in some areas but how about valuing the service that is available?

 

I haven't even bothered reading Big_Cod's contribution because there's no point. Reading his stuff is like listening to a compilation tape of everything that was ever uttered by John Laurie on the BBC television sitcom Dad's Army.

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There has always been a "plenty more where that came from" attitude in the NHS.

There is no incentive to be efficient.

When I was first promoted to charge nurse I was told by my manager to ensure that I overspent my budget each year, otherwise I would be allocated less the next year.

Exactly the same in unis ,if a department doesnt use all its money its presumed it doesnt need it and it gets less the next year.

Many hours are spent spending money on things that look like their needed but are not ,a ten grand pcb engraver that was long obselete by the time an academic bought it sits with a dedicated pc on a shelf to this day .

Not only did it not cut tracks thin enough it used 3 cutters trying to do it at £13 each .

When the academic was told ald fashioned ferric could do it better quicker and for a couple of pence each he shrugged and said it was only money! The pc itself was long out of date in all ways but because it was 'essential' it cost ten times what it was worth ,unfortunately selling to the stupid or gullible is easy ,one phonecall to me would have saved the money so it could be spent on something of actual use!

 

As for privatisation there has always been some ,most scanners are not owned by the nhs we have G4S ambulances and surrey obviously use south coast ambulance as theres lots about in the area ,thanks to labour we dont own a large number of hospitals and we pay vast sums on maintenance via contract small print.most car parks are run by contracters some hospitals gain nothing from the exorbitantly high fees most just a fraction of the take.and millions are spent on agency fees far above the cost if we employed nurses direct

 

I dont have a problem with privatisation if the service is good and its free as in your only paying once via taxation

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