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#1 Ken L

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Posted 04 April 2017 - 09:51 PM

One of the most vilified men in the UK speaks to the Oxford Union:


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Posted 04 April 2017 - 09:55 PM

I dont villify whoever it is ? I wont watch it though incase i do then i would have to untype the first bit of my sentence ,if its a mp or anyone with the slightest power they come pre villified so i guess it could be but perhaps my villification system is different to anothers ,did he kill millions like stalin ? Or are his eyes to close together?
I dont read newspapers i look at them which may make me confused to who it is

Edited by chesters1, 04 April 2017 - 10:04 PM.

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Posted 04 April 2017 - 11:59 PM

So who would you have us "believe" he is? He is the ex head honcho of the EDL. A fascist. Ooops sorry, you cant say that these days it's not PC. A member of the "alt-right".

He's the hero of people like this


 


Edited by corydoras, 05 April 2017 - 12:01 AM.

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#4 Ken L

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Posted 05 April 2017 - 12:17 AM

Ah, so now people are guilty by association now are they?
Where would that leave Mr Corbyn with his "friends from HAMAS"?
Did you watch the video?
Can you find an example of a racist statement that he's made?
You call him a fascist but can you find an example of him trying to impose authoritarian rule over anybody?

Species caught in 2019: Pike. Bream. Tench. Chub. Common Carp. European Eel.

Species caught in 2018: Perch. Bream. Rainbow Trout. Brown Trout. Chub. Roach. Carp. European Eel.
Species caught in 2017: Siamese carp. Striped catfish. Rohu. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima.  Black Minnow Shark. Perch. Chub. Brown Trout. Pike. Bream. Roach. Rudd. Bleak. Common Carp.
Species caught in 2016: Siamese carp. Jullien's golden carp. Striped catfish. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Alligator gar. Rohu. Black Minnow Shark. Roach, Bream, Perch, Ballan Wrasse. Rudd. Common Carp. Pike. Zander. Chub. Bleak.
Species caught in 2015: Brown Trout. Roach. Bream. Terrapin. Eel. Barbel. Pike. Chub. 
Species caught in 2014: Striped catfish. Pacu. Giant gourami. Clown knife fish. Rohu. Siamese carp. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Roach. Bream. Perch. Rainbow trout. Chub. Common Carp, Ide. Brown Trout. Barbel. Mekong catfish. Jullien's golden carp. Alligator gar. Java barb.
Species caught in 2013: Mangrove Jack. Barramundi. Blubberlip snapper. Baracouda. Malabar grouper. Yellowfin Trevally. Chub. Brown Trout. Perch. Roach. Pike. European Eel. Bleak.
Species caught in 2012: Northern whiting. Moray eel. Barramundi. Snakehead murrel. Silver razorbelly minnow. Deccan Mahseer. Malabar mystus. Deccan rita. Spotted Malabar Grouper. Mangrove Jack. Indian sea catfish. Brown Trout. Chub. Perch. Roach. Rudd.
Species caught in 2011: Indian sea catfish. Sardine. Barramundi. Mangrove Jack. Deccan Mahseer. Record Humpbacked Mahseer. Yellow Fin Trevelly. Giant Trevelly. Chub. Brown Trout. Perch. Pike. Atlantic salmon. Dace. Minnow. Roach. Gudgeon. 
Species caught in 2010: Barramundi. Giant Trevelly. Moray eel. Indian sea catfish. Mangrove Jack. Deccan Mahseer. Humpback Mahseer. Chub. Brown Trout. Perch. Bass. Pike. 
Species caught in 2009: Chub. Perch. Pike. Pacu. Thai Striped Catfish. 
Species caught in 2008: Barramundi. p-i-k-e-y sea bream. Indian sea catfish. Guitarfish. Mangrove Jack. Mahseer. Squid (Not strictly a fish but it took a lure !). Emperor Sweetlip. Black Spot Snapper. Moray eel. Spangled Emperor. Bluecheek silver grunt. Yellow striped emperor. Vanikoro sweeper. Pike. Perch. Brown trout. Chub. Atlantic salmon.


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Posted 05 April 2017 - 01:58 AM

Ah, so now people are guilty by association now are they?
Where would that leave Mr Corbyn with his "friends from HAMAS"?
Did you watch the video?
Can you find an example of a racist statement that he's made?
You call him a fascist but can you find an example of him trying to impose authoritarian rule over anybody?

First of all Ken let me make it quite clear that I am not a supporter of the Labour party. I don't give a flying monkeys for Corbyn and I care even less for HAMAS. I feel exactly the same way about HAMAS as Sam Harris does.  I have only voted Labour ONCE in a General Election, although I do vote for them locally because they do a good job of running Southampton City Council.

 

I'll admit that when I made my original post I had not watched his presentation (confirmation bias is something we are all culpable of from time to time), but now I have and I agree with almost all the points and issues he raised. I withdraw my earlier remarks about him being a fascist, it sounds to me that he might have actually rubbed up some real fascist the wrong way a wee bit.

 

A question for you Ken, in my usual direct manner. How do you feel about yet another British Premier crawling back from Saudi Arabia with Salafist sperm running down their chins?


Edited by corydoras, 05 April 2017 - 04:08 AM.

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Posted 05 April 2017 - 01:59 AM

I dont villify whoever it is ? I wont watch it though incase i do then i would have to untype the first bit of my sentence ,if its a mp or anyone with the slightest power they come pre villified so i guess it could be but perhaps my villification system is different to anothers ,did he kill millions like stalin ? Or are his eyes to close together?
I dont read newspapers i look at them which may make me confused to who it is

Well worth a watch chesters.


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Posted 05 April 2017 - 02:43 AM

Ah, so now people are guilty by association now are they?
Where would that leave Mr Corbyn with his "friends from HAMAS"?
Did you watch the video?
Can you find an example of a racist statement that he's made?
You call him a fascist but can you find an example of him trying to impose authoritarian rule over anybody?

May as well have the Q & A too Ken. :thumbs:

 

Gotta laugh at the first questioner, If ISIS got hold of her "she" would either be chucked off the top of the nearest high building or they would dig a hole for her and tip a hundredweight of rocks on her head.


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Posted 05 April 2017 - 03:44 AM

I guess you've seen this Ken?

 


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#9 Ken L

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Posted 05 April 2017 - 06:31 AM

Glad you took the time to watch it. I'd seen a handful of recent videos from Tommy that didn't fit the "far right" media narrative before coming across that one from almost two years ago. He's a ballsy guy.

As for the ongoing UK and US ass-licking of the Saudi's, it's sickening.
They have an appalling human rights record, they are funding extremist mosques and organisations in the west and they are driving the political agenda in Europe and elsewhere by throwing money around, making well connected people rich and buying off politicians.
For their money, they get Wahhabi Qurans in our jails, they get control of UN policy to the point where they are trying to make criticism of Islam a crime internationally and they get the very latest military tech despite their proven willingness to use it on civilians.
They also get Teresa May to deliver a speech in the wake of the Westminster terrorist attack that didn't even mention Khalid Masood's background or motivation, even though it was already abundantly clear when the speech was delivered.
Instead, we get the usual predictable "Muslims are the real victims" narrative delivered with a promise to push for more of the same "diversity" that clearly isn't working.
One has to wonder about the nature of the Saudi agenda when they haven't accepted a single refugee from the countries currently wracked by war and one has to ask who exactly is paying for these "migrants" to flood Europe.

There are plenty of decent hardworking people about who self identify as Muslims but there are some truly shocking figures about regarding the proportion of them that wouldn't report someone that they suspect of extremist/terrorist behaviours, just as there are shocking figures about regarding the proportion of Muslims who want to see Sharia in the UK - complete with its treatment of homosexuals and barbaric punishments.
I've said before that a Muslim mate of 30 years standing has changed mosques several times because he's sick of hearing the hateful crap that they are preaching - which has now become mainstream.

Species caught in 2019: Pike. Bream. Tench. Chub. Common Carp. European Eel.

Species caught in 2018: Perch. Bream. Rainbow Trout. Brown Trout. Chub. Roach. Carp. European Eel.
Species caught in 2017: Siamese carp. Striped catfish. Rohu. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima.  Black Minnow Shark. Perch. Chub. Brown Trout. Pike. Bream. Roach. Rudd. Bleak. Common Carp.
Species caught in 2016: Siamese carp. Jullien's golden carp. Striped catfish. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Alligator gar. Rohu. Black Minnow Shark. Roach, Bream, Perch, Ballan Wrasse. Rudd. Common Carp. Pike. Zander. Chub. Bleak.
Species caught in 2015: Brown Trout. Roach. Bream. Terrapin. Eel. Barbel. Pike. Chub. 
Species caught in 2014: Striped catfish. Pacu. Giant gourami. Clown knife fish. Rohu. Siamese carp. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Roach. Bream. Perch. Rainbow trout. Chub. Common Carp, Ide. Brown Trout. Barbel. Mekong catfish. Jullien's golden carp. Alligator gar. Java barb.
Species caught in 2013: Mangrove Jack. Barramundi. Blubberlip snapper. Baracouda. Malabar grouper. Yellowfin Trevally. Chub. Brown Trout. Perch. Roach. Pike. European Eel. Bleak.
Species caught in 2012: Northern whiting. Moray eel. Barramundi. Snakehead murrel. Silver razorbelly minnow. Deccan Mahseer. Malabar mystus. Deccan rita. Spotted Malabar Grouper. Mangrove Jack. Indian sea catfish. Brown Trout. Chub. Perch. Roach. Rudd.
Species caught in 2011: Indian sea catfish. Sardine. Barramundi. Mangrove Jack. Deccan Mahseer. Record Humpbacked Mahseer. Yellow Fin Trevelly. Giant Trevelly. Chub. Brown Trout. Perch. Pike. Atlantic salmon. Dace. Minnow. Roach. Gudgeon. 
Species caught in 2010: Barramundi. Giant Trevelly. Moray eel. Indian sea catfish. Mangrove Jack. Deccan Mahseer. Humpback Mahseer. Chub. Brown Trout. Perch. Bass. Pike. 
Species caught in 2009: Chub. Perch. Pike. Pacu. Thai Striped Catfish. 
Species caught in 2008: Barramundi. p-i-k-e-y sea bream. Indian sea catfish. Guitarfish. Mangrove Jack. Mahseer. Squid (Not strictly a fish but it took a lure !). Emperor Sweetlip. Black Spot Snapper. Moray eel. Spangled Emperor. Bluecheek silver grunt. Yellow striped emperor. Vanikoro sweeper. Pike. Perch. Brown trout. Chub. Atlantic salmon.


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Posted 05 April 2017 - 08:33 AM

Like Cory, I found that video surprising. The impression the media have given of this man is clearly not the one he would like to portray. Exactly where the truth is - I don't know - but I do think that attempts to shut people like him up make the problem worse. If there are problems (and there clearly are) you can't go on pretending they don't exist forever.

Here's something I spotted in the media today. There was a homophobic assault in the Netherlands.

Telegraph coverage;

http://www.telegraph...ce-netherlands/

HuffPo coverage;

http://www.huffingto...4b0f4a923b24fd5

Indy coverage;

https://www.indy100....ophobia-7665506

Can you spot a piece of information that the Telegraph (and the Dutch papers) consider to be salient, but that the HuffPo and Indy thought it would be best not to mention?