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You bet she is :D If Catalonia gets its' independence, you can be sure the lemon sucker will be banging on about another indyref (if she hasn't started already). It was her harping on about Scottish independence that lost her 1/3 of the seats in the election, will she learn a lesson from that? I doubt it very much.

Hey! This about catalonia, not Scotland. Can we now lock the topic ?

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Hey! This about catalonia, not Scotland. Can we now lock the topic ?

 

Sod off :bleh:

 

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You bet she is :D If Catalonia gets its' independence, you can be sure the lemon sucker will be banging on about another indyref (if she hasn't started already). It was her harping on about Scottish independence that lost her 1/3 of the seats in the election, will she learn a lesson from that? I doubt it very much.

Yes, but has she grasped th implications ? (I doubt that also) - She keeps banging on about Scotland remaining in the EU after independence. Judging by the Eu response to Catalonia, that ain't gonna happen

 

 

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Yes, but has she grasped th implications ? (I doubt that also) - She keeps banging on about Scotland remaining in the EU after independence. Judging by the Eu response to Catalonia, that ain't gonna happen

 

I doubt there are many politicians who can grasp the implications of their actions, left or right. its all a bit of a shambles at the moment.

 

your way older than me mate, has politics always been this pathetic ?

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I doubt there are many politicians who can grasp the implications of their actions, left or right. its all a bit of a shambles at the moment.

 

your way older than me mate, has politics always been this pathetic ?

Andy, if you want to answer that yourself mate, Google "UK General Election 1906" read any of the historical reports and then you will know.

 

But as you say, a shambles is perhaps an understatement, Scotland, Catalonia and the Flemish all seeking Independance is 'problematic' the Kurds intention to seek an independent state is very soon to be met with armed, military oppression from Iraq and probably Turkey, Estonia is also likely to see a 'mistake' very soon due to the EU's continued expansion onto Russian borders and through all this the EU cannot negotiate with a 'friend', what chance has it to sort out any of the above.

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Andy, if you want to answer that yourself mate, Google "UK General Election 1906" read any of the historical reports and then you will know.

 

But as you say, a shambles is perhaps an understatement, Scotland, Catalonia and the Flemish all seeking Independance is 'problematic' the Kurds intention to seek an independent state is very soon to be met with armed, military oppression from Iraq and probably Turkey, Estonia is also likely to see a 'mistake' very soon due to the EU's continued expansion onto Russian borders and through all this the EU cannot negotiate with a 'friend', what chance has it to sort out any of the above.

Unfortunately a super state shouldnt sort anything out it was a couple that made the mess in the first place putting borders where borders shouldnt be.

Not much said about the Basque region lately have they run out of steam?

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None of this "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" crap it just means i have at least two enemies!

 

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ETA surrendered their weapons a few years ago Chesters but I expect they are still 'lurking'.

 

You are correct about borders but it is the important concept of identity that some Politicians don't understand.

 

As far as the Middle East in concerned, when I am asked, more than often I reply "They have been fighting each other for eight thousand years, in the future I think they will be fighting."

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ETA surrendered their weapons a few years ago Chesters but I expect they are still 'lurking'.

 

You are correct about borders but it is the important concept of identity that some Politicians don't understand.

 

As far as the Middle East in concerned, when I am asked, more than often I reply "They have been fighting each other for eight thousand years, in the future I think they will be fighting."

Thats just mankind in general lol

 

ETA is missing out ,it should form new ETA or the real ETA or ETA2 and carry on killing with probably the same leaders ,dont they read northern ireland politics? All any terrorist organisation looking to gain power is look at isreal and NI if they kill enough people (usually their own) they will win eventually especially when the dont wear uniforms so as to be identified and killed themselves ,long gone are lines of red and green potshotting each other with those with the biggest guns winning

 

Identity is a dificult concept i think in the 21st century ,at least in europe where you can be anywhere at any time ,i have lived in the village half my life but i dont regard it as me ,i am half english and scottish by parents origin so nothing fixed there and from birth to 1974 moved about every couple of years so no fixed point to identify with.

If ofcourse like some they are born live and die in the same place then i can see them having a identity.

Perhaps birth place?

Cory and his scottish links but hes probably been out of scotland (as most appear to be lol) longer than he was in ?

I spent most school holidays at my nans chalet at seton sands so theres a fondness but i cannot identify myself as anything else but me !

As for terrorists i think they use identity as an excuse ,people that like to kill others for the sake of it need some excuse to raise others ,worse are those with nothing in the slightest in common they just love to kill others as we see with both people going abroad to kill others as we see in syria on BOTH sides but strangely only see the moslems as a problem ,those that murder "terrorists" apear in some strange ways to be good !?! But what is a terrorist ? Outside of the region perhaps so but inside could be a freedom fighter ,are hamas terrorists or freedom fighters ask hamas and isreal and you will get two answers and from one forgetting how they got power over others ,britain and 1948 were a great time for killing people and its still going on ,those big guys and their borders what fun they have and wait until the **** hits the fan when the kurds get enough guns from the big guys the gun manufacturers and reconstruction companies must be rubbing their hands in delight

 

If you want to solve catalonia give it independace as a state then persuade them to think again by putting up a hard border and taxing everything going in and out ,they may win but it comes with the same problems countries have existing in the world let them find out the hard way ,once the people get punished their saviours will be seen in another light.

 

As for NI ,let the royalists come here is they wish (at least they almost speak english unlike the hoards coming here anyway) and give NI back to ireland and let them prop NI up not us ,we then get our hard border its win win

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Believe NOTHING anyones says or writes unless you witness it yourself and even then your eyes can deceive you

None of this "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" crap it just means i have at least two enemies!

 

There is only one opinion i listen to ,its mine and its ALWAYS right even when its wrong

 

Its far easier to curse the darkness than light one candle

 

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your way older than me mate, has politics always been this pathetic ?

Well, HV has offered evidence that the 1906 election was on a par with the most recent one. I can only speak for events from about 1940, when I was six years old. By the time I left school I had formed the opinion that about 80% of the human race didn't know their jobs. That was based mainly on my contact with schoolteachers. Nearly seventy years later, after starting out as a pharmacist, becoming bored with it, and rapidly switching to oceanography and earth science at university level, and helping run a family building business on the side, I have met many people, from all walks of life, including a few politicians, and I see no reason to change my original view, except to reflect that 80% was probably an underestimate.

 

As a group, politicians are as inept as the rest of the human race. Added to that is the fact that politicians have little incentive to learn - once in a "safe" seat they continue to get elected on the basis of promises, no matter how many promises have been reneged upon in the past.

 

So yes, politicians have always been pathetic, but I would suggest the current crop seem particularly so - I cannot see one person of stature on either side that I would trust to lead the country.

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Looks like spain is up for a fight hopefully they get one ,i wouldnt be their prime minister walking about if i were incharge of a resistance group to their bully boy tactics

Rather than using their heads they are getting tough ,being canny they could get their own way far more easily

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Believe NOTHING anyones says or writes unless you witness it yourself and even then your eyes can deceive you

None of this "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" crap it just means i have at least two enemies!

 

There is only one opinion i listen to ,its mine and its ALWAYS right even when its wrong

 

Its far easier to curse the darkness than light one candle

 

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Grangers law : anything i say will  turn out the opposite or not happen at all!

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"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson

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