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In the lead-up to, during and after the Live Aid concert in 1985 to raise money for the starving in Ethiopia, you could buy fruit (fresh and tinned) from.... Ethiopia.

Less well known is that between 1974 and 1991, Ethiopia was having a civil war between the Derg and Emperor Haile Selassie, and only ended when the Government was overthrown. Also, between 1961 and 1991, Ethiopia was at war with Eritrea.

 

(quote from New World Encyclopedia) The famine in the mid 1980s brought the situation in Ethiopia to the attention of the world, and inspired charitable drives in western nations, notably by Oxfam and the Live Aid concerts of July 1985. Funds raised by Oxfam and Live Aid were distributed among NGOs in Ethiopia. A controversy arose when it transpired that some of these NGOs were under Derg control or influence, and that some Oxfam and Live Aid money had been used to fund the Derg's enforced resettlement programs, under which millions of people were displaced and between 50,000 and 100,000 killed.

 

Instead of keeping the food produced in Ethiopia to feed the starving, it was being exported in order to buy arms and weapons. Indirectly, the charities set up to feed the starving were helping to fund two wars.

:cry: And while on the subject, how can countries that can't feed their own people justify growing tobacco to sell in exchange for foreign currency when they should be growing edible crops for their people to live on? :nono:

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:cry: And while on the subject, how can countries that can't feed their own people justify growing tobacco to sell in exchange for foreign currency when they should be growing edible crops for their people to live on? :nono:

Next, you'll start asking why countries like India continue to receive foreign aid.

India has a $2 trillion economy, a space program and nuclear weapons but still raked in $67.6 billion in foreign aid in 2012-13.

And of course, that's before you even start to look at the billions pumped in by Charities and NGOs.

 

The same arguments can be made in respect of oil rich Nigeria.

 

Then there is the question of aid to countries like Pakistan who are actively working against western interests while their entire economy is underpinned by foreign aid - which is why Trump recently pulled the rug out from under their feet.

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:cry: And while on the subject, how can countries that can't feed their own people justify growing tobacco to sell in exchange for foreign currency when they should be growing edible crops for their people to live on? :nono:

Because its big business the west give them loans they cannot pay back so they grow cheap stuff to sell to us to offset the interest.

Ofcourse growing it for us means none for them so we will bung them another loan to tide them over knowing full well charities will get involved so they can rake money in showing the starving,and on it goes

Believe NOTHING anyones says or writes unless you witness it yourself and even then your eyes can deceive you

None of this "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" crap it just means i have at least two enemies!

 

There is only one opinion i listen to ,its mine and its ALWAYS right even when its wrong

 

Its far easier to curse the darkness than light one candle

 

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Grangers law : anything i say will  turn out the opposite or not happen at all!

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"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson

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And then there's those charities that think it would be a good idea to send unwanted clothes to Africa, or people who think it would be a really good idea to go Africa or South America and help build schools, clinics & etc. for free. Can't be anything wrong with that surely.

 

Except, sending our unwanted clothing to various African nations has decimated the African textile industry leading to many thousands of people being forced out of work and into poverty. Same with volunteering to help build stuff, it just takes paid work out of the hands of the locals. But that is okay, because when you come home you have a lovely story to tell your friends whilst you feel all warm and cosy inside. The only people who benefit from this are the heartless individuals who keep their buildings in poor condition in order to keep all the money rolling in.

 

Then there's Fair Trade. We've all heard about that; the farmers receive a fair price for their crops and we get to feel all warm and cosy again knowing the money we pay is going to those who need it. Except, it only allows a small number of rich landowners to get even richer whilst the poorer farmers get nothing.

 

In many ways, charity just serves to destroy the lives of those people they are intending to help. I know far more cases similar to the above, but I'll stop here. Enjoy your dinners everyone, especially those eating quinoa. If only you knew..... :)

John S

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All,

 

This is destined to be a "go nowhere" thread. There are 47 International Governance treaties or agreements on human rights. Millions of NGO's (non governmental organizations) both within the nation state and Internationally with the "best" solution.

 

I topic where opinion rages in the rare atmosphere of PhD land.

 

It's fun but not fishing -

 

Phone

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Norm,

 

just wondering - given the choice - would you grow something to eat for yourself or would you grow something you could sell and feed your whole family?

 

Phone

The rationale that drive opium and cocaine production around the world.

Species caught in 2020: Barbel. European Eel. Bleak. Perch. Pike.

Species caught in 2019: Pike. Bream. Tench. Chub. Common Carp. European Eel. Barbel. Bleak. Dace.

Species caught in 2018: Perch. Bream. Rainbow Trout. Brown Trout. Chub. Roach. Carp. European Eel.

Species caught in 2017: Siamese carp. Striped catfish. Rohu. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Black Minnow Shark. Perch. Chub. Brown Trout. Pike. Bream. Roach. Rudd. Bleak. Common Carp.

Species caught in 2016: Siamese carp. Jullien's golden carp. Striped catfish. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Alligator gar. Rohu. Black Minnow Shark. Roach, Bream, Perch, Ballan Wrasse. Rudd. Common Carp. Pike. Zander. Chub. Bleak.

Species caught in 2015: Brown Trout. Roach. Bream. Terrapin. Eel. Barbel. Pike. Chub.

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Phone, Here's 3 words!! - "National Health Service" - Free at point of demand and proud of it, in spite of some short comings!!

All,

 

This is destined to be a "go nowhere" thread. There are 47 International Governance treaties or agreements on human rights. Millions of NGO's (non governmental organizations) both within the nation state and Internationally with the "best" solution.

 

I topic where opinion rages in the rare atmosphere of PhD land.

 

It's fun but not fishing -

 

Phone

 

After the Free Treatment - We keep on Fishing, so in the end - IS Fishing!!

 

Everyone gets the same highly skilled, high tech' treatment - working or not!!

 

As against your lot - you only get the treatment you can afford re your Insurance!!

 

Is it OK to die because your'e not covered??

Edited by Martin56

Fishin' - "Best Fun Ya' can 'ave wi' Ya' Clothes On"!!

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Martin,

 

I personally think you are skating on thin ice touting the "benefits" of your NHS.

 

I would argue"

Your treatment is not "free"

Everyone does NOT receive the same level of service

Much like in the UK - money talks even with healthcare. We have ample "free clinics" the service is equal all right - equal to what you can pay

Yes, it's OK to die (sets and example)

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