May gives Putin a "Get Out"

[bluezulu]

no one from the royal family will attend the world cup finals in russia, that should upset em :blink:

[Phone]

All

 

Wasn't the gas seran (maybe seren?). The same stuff as was used in Japan in the subways

 

That stuff is old hat.

 

Phone

[snakey1]

All

 

Wasn't the gas seran (maybe seren?). The same stuff as was used in Japan in the subways

 

That stuff is old hat.

 

Phone

No it wasn't sarin gas (designation GB, dicovered in 1938, which was used on the Tokyo subway by the aum Shinrikyo who incidently have also made vx agent), it was apparently one of the newer 4th generation novichok agents reportedly created by the Russians in the 70s and 80s in an attempt to get round the chemical weapons treaties, supposedly between 5 - 8 times more toxic than vx and available in a fine powdered binary form. Edited March 14, 2018 by snakey1

[Ken L]

No it wasn't sarin gas (designation GB, dicovered in 1938, which was used on the Tokyo subway by the aum Shinrikyo who incidently have also made vx agent), it was apparently one of the newer 4th generation novichok agents reportedly created by the Russians in the 70s and 80s in an attempt to get round the chemical weapons treaties, supposedly between 5 - 8 times more toxic than vx and available in a fine powdered binary form.

That's insane!

[corydoras]

No it wasn't sarin gas (designation GB, dicovered in 1938, which was used on the Tokyo subway by the aum Shinrikyo who incidently have also made vx agent), it was apparently one of the newer 4th generation novichok agents reportedly created by the Russians in the 70s and 80s in an attempt to get round the chemical weapons treaties, supposedly between 5 - 8 times more toxic than vx and available in a fine powdered binary form.

What is a fine powdered binary form?

[snakey1]

What is a fine powdered binary form?

Apparently some of the novichok agents and there are quite a few, are capable of being made as two relatively harmless fine powders (as opposed to liquids or gases) that when mixed react to become one incredibly toxic one, how true this is I don't know as finding any accurate info on them is obviously not going to be easy. It is one of the theories as to how vx was applied to fat Kim's brother except that was apparently two liquids

Edited March 15, 2018 by snakey1

[Steve Walker]

I think those two statements are both true, but not at the same time - i.e. the Novichok agents include some which are binary (two less lethal compounds react at the time of delivery to form the final weapon) and some which are weaponised as powdered solids. Both attributes are useful for the delivery of chemical weapons in munitions (and also make them easier for assassins to handle) but I don't see how from a chemistry point of view you could have both at the same time. Solids don't react very well with each other.

[snakey1]

I think those two statements are both true, but not at the same time - i.e. the Novichok agents include some which are binary (two less lethal compounds react at the time of delivery to form the final weapon) and some which are weaponised as powdered solids. Both attributes are useful for the delivery of chemical weapons in munitions (and also make them easier for assassins to handle) but I don't see how from a chemistry point of view you could have both at the same time. Solids don't react very well with each other.

you maybe right (though some solids do react together lead nitrate and potassium iodide being just one example of course a little moisture from the air or perhaps the skin helps speed things up), finding any accurate info on these things isn't easy Edited March 15, 2018 by snakey1

[Steve Walker]

Yeah, some highly energetic inorganic reactions will proceed in solid phase at room temperature, but it would be unusual for organic chemistry. You want it to react very rapidly, so that you can mix them after the shell or missile is fired.

[chesters1]

Whats wrong with turning them chinese with polonium?

Tried and tested

And a slow death so they appreciate their deeds

 

Or us it the uk government doing a bit of false flagging so we dont notice tusk buggering us up the behind at every stroke

Edited March 15, 2018 by chesters1