Steve Walker 941 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 I don't mean in that sense, John. I don't mean invisible as Muslims, I mean as individuals to hide themselves away (from men, basically). To be invisible to the male gaze. It sounds like your main problem is that Muslims wearing distinctive dress makes it obviously visible that there are a lot of them? Link to post Share on other sites
Jim Roper 23 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 The whole of the Islamic way of controlling women seems to be based on the fact that the blokes can't suppress their libido with booze. I understand that 'The Prophet' married a 12-year-old girl. http://www.d-das.com/Lower South Buckland Farm Campsite DT3 4BQhttp://www.campingandcaravanningclub.co.uk/campsites/uk/dorset/weymouth/southbucklandfarmPisces mortui solum cum flumine natantYou get more bites on Anglers Net http://www.fishingtails.co.uk Link to post Share on other sites
Jim Roper 23 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 I don't think the conservatives will want to expel Boris and see him become the new UKIP leader. http://www.d-das.com/Lower South Buckland Farm Campsite DT3 4BQhttp://www.campingandcaravanningclub.co.uk/campsites/uk/dorset/weymouth/southbucklandfarmPisces mortui solum cum flumine natantYou get more bites on Anglers Net http://www.fishingtails.co.uk Link to post Share on other sites
gozzer 938 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 I don't mean in that sense, John. I don't mean invisible as Muslims, I mean as individuals to hide themselves away (from men, basically). To be invisible to the male gaze. It sounds like your main problem is that Muslims wearing distinctive dress makes it obviously visible that there are a lot of them? I meant hide themselves as individuals as well Steve. There are a lot of Muslim women around here that dress in a more western way, but still modestly. It would seem that Muslim men can't control themselves, and assume others are the same. If there had not been the furore surrounding the silly remarks by Boris, then it would have passed without hardly a mention. The sheer hypocrisy of sections of the Muslim community to balk at something negative about their 'culture', and do exactly the same to western cultures, beggers belief. My 'problem' if you can call it that, is much more complicated than what they wear. It has to do with numbers, as well as, attitude, hypocrisy, intolerance, a reluctance to even attempt to integrate, an overt sense of superiority, and self entitlement. As I said earlier this doesn't apply to all, but a significantly large percentage. I know a few people that work in Tescos in Batley, and the abuse they have to put up with, from sections of the Muslim community, has to be seen to be believed, it's worse for the women who work there. If the staff answer back then the race card is played, and a reprimand from their manager usually follows. This might be classed as a traditional/culture thing, but I call it pig ignorance. John. 1 Angling is more than just catching fish, if it wasn't it would just be called 'catching'......... John Link to post Share on other sites
Phone 748 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 All, Ha ha, I'm with gozzer. Steve. how would you rate the opposite - nudity?? Phone Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Walker 941 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Phone - we sure are having problems with those Muslims getting uppity. Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Walker 941 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 John - do you think telling the women what to wear would alter that? It feels a bit like attacking a bit of their culture just for the sake of it, just to tell them that their traditions and beliefs aren't welcome here, and all the stuff about bank robberies and terrorism is post hoc justification. Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew 505 Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 The whole of the Islamic way of controlling women seems to be based on the fact that the blokes can't suppress their libido with booze. I understand that 'The Prophet' married a 12-year-old girl. Look nearer to home Jim King Richard 11 married a 6 year old girl. Lady Margaret Beaufort, wife of Edmund Tudor, who was months from turning 14 when she gave birth to Henry VII in 1457. "La conclusión es que los insultos sólo perjudican cuando vienen de alguien que respeto". “Vescere bracis meis” Link to post Share on other sites
gozzer 938 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 John - do you think telling the women what to wear would alter that? It feels a bit like attacking a bit of their culture just for the sake of it, just to tell them that their traditions and beliefs aren't welcome here, and all the stuff about bank robberies and terrorism is post hoc justification. No I don't think it would alter it Steve, but it would go a long way to showing a willingness to integrate, and that their adoptive country, and it's culture is also important. The list of things I gave, was just in answer to your take on what my 'problem' was. They are welcome here, if they come legally, and accept that they have moved to a different country, with it's own culture and traditions, and to tolerate and accept them, as they demand we do theirs. I disagree with you on the "post hoc justification". The use of burkas as disguises to commit crimes are real, the treat of terrorism is real, and as such there is no need to use them as justification, merely examples. John. Angling is more than just catching fish, if it wasn't it would just be called 'catching'......... John Link to post Share on other sites
Jim Roper 23 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Look nearer to home Jim King Richard 11 married a 6 year old girl. Lady Margaret Beaufort, wife of Edmund Tudor, who was months from turning 14 when she gave birth to Henry VII in 1457. We have laws to stop that now, but these newcomers seem to prefer medieval practices. http://www.d-das.com/Lower South Buckland Farm Campsite DT3 4BQhttp://www.campingandcaravanningclub.co.uk/campsites/uk/dorset/weymouth/southbucklandfarmPisces mortui solum cum flumine natantYou get more bites on Anglers Net http://www.fishingtails.co.uk Link to post Share on other sites
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