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#11 Ken L

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 07:01 PM

Tell you what Paul, how about we let you have your £10 an hour minimum wage but in return, we pull the plug on in work benefits, tax credits, housing benefits and social (taxpayer funded) housing for the under 65s?
Wouldn't that extend the "same work for the same pay" concept a bit further by adding an element of "same bills"?


Edited by Ken L, 14 May 2019 - 07:03 PM.

Species caught in 2019: Pike. Bream. Tench. Chub. Common Carp. European Eel.

Species caught in 2018: Perch. Bream. Rainbow Trout. Brown Trout. Chub. Roach. Carp. European Eel.
Species caught in 2017: Siamese carp. Striped catfish. Rohu. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima.  Black Minnow Shark. Perch. Chub. Brown Trout. Pike. Bream. Roach. Rudd. Bleak. Common Carp.
Species caught in 2016: Siamese carp. Jullien's golden carp. Striped catfish. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Alligator gar. Rohu. Black Minnow Shark. Roach, Bream, Perch, Ballan Wrasse. Rudd. Common Carp. Pike. Zander. Chub. Bleak.
Species caught in 2015: Brown Trout. Roach. Bream. Terrapin. Eel. Barbel. Pike. Chub. 
Species caught in 2014: Striped catfish. Pacu. Giant gourami. Clown knife fish. Rohu. Siamese carp. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Roach. Bream. Perch. Rainbow trout. Chub. Common Carp, Ide. Brown Trout. Barbel. Mekong catfish. Jullien's golden carp. Alligator gar. Java barb.
Species caught in 2013: Mangrove Jack. Barramundi. Blubberlip snapper. Baracouda. Malabar grouper. Yellowfin Trevally. Chub. Brown Trout. Perch. Roach. Pike. European Eel. Bleak.
Species caught in 2012: Northern whiting. Moray eel. Barramundi. Snakehead murrel. Silver razorbelly minnow. Deccan Mahseer. Malabar mystus. Deccan rita. Spotted Malabar Grouper. Mangrove Jack. Indian sea catfish. Brown Trout. Chub. Perch. Roach. Rudd.
Species caught in 2011: Indian sea catfish. Sardine. Barramundi. Mangrove Jack. Deccan Mahseer. Record Humpbacked Mahseer. Yellow Fin Trevelly. Giant Trevelly. Chub. Brown Trout. Perch. Pike. Atlantic salmon. Dace. Minnow. Roach. Gudgeon. 
Species caught in 2010: Barramundi. Giant Trevelly. Moray eel. Indian sea catfish. Mangrove Jack. Deccan Mahseer. Humpback Mahseer. Chub. Brown Trout. Perch. Bass. Pike. 
Species caught in 2009: Chub. Perch. Pike. Pacu. Thai Striped Catfish. 
Species caught in 2008: Barramundi. p-i-k-e-y sea bream. Indian sea catfish. Guitarfish. Mangrove Jack. Mahseer. Squid (Not strictly a fish but it took a lure !). Emperor Sweetlip. Black Spot Snapper. Moray eel. Spangled Emperor. Bluecheek silver grunt. Yellow striped emperor. Vanikoro sweeper. Pike. Perch. Brown trout. Chub. Atlantic salmon.


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Posted 14 May 2019 - 07:05 PM

Tell you what though Paul, how about we let you have your £10 an hour minimum wage but in return, we pull the plug on in work benefits, tax credits, housing benefits and social (taxpayer funded) housing for the under 65s?


Just out curiosity ken in the last 10 years of Tory austerity how much in real terms have public sector workers had a pay cut and that goes across the board low wage economy with sky high bills any ideas the system is broken and more of same ****s what do you actually think Brexit is really about !!!!

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 07:24 PM

But benefits have risen at a higher rate than those "public sector workers" pay packets throughout the last decade and in many cases, those public servants are administering benefits and services for people who are picking up tens of thousands of pounds more than they are earning themselves.

 

Tell me, how do you think a public servant working full time,  managing 25 staff and genuinely struggling financially (but managing to pay a mortgage), feels when they see a bloke who works 18 hours a week in a stress free minimum wage job, has a non working (and non-English speaking) wife and six kids at home driving around in a brand new Audi SUV and boasting of picking up more than £40k a year in benefits and tax credits on top of his tax free salary, while the taxpayer picks up the tab for the mansion that he lives in?

THERE'S YOUR INCOME INEQUALITY!

 

BTW: This isn't some random question pulled out of the air. That public servant is me.


Edited by Ken L, 14 May 2019 - 07:25 PM.

Species caught in 2019: Pike. Bream. Tench. Chub. Common Carp. European Eel.

Species caught in 2018: Perch. Bream. Rainbow Trout. Brown Trout. Chub. Roach. Carp. European Eel.
Species caught in 2017: Siamese carp. Striped catfish. Rohu. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima.  Black Minnow Shark. Perch. Chub. Brown Trout. Pike. Bream. Roach. Rudd. Bleak. Common Carp.
Species caught in 2016: Siamese carp. Jullien's golden carp. Striped catfish. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Alligator gar. Rohu. Black Minnow Shark. Roach, Bream, Perch, Ballan Wrasse. Rudd. Common Carp. Pike. Zander. Chub. Bleak.
Species caught in 2015: Brown Trout. Roach. Bream. Terrapin. Eel. Barbel. Pike. Chub. 
Species caught in 2014: Striped catfish. Pacu. Giant gourami. Clown knife fish. Rohu. Siamese carp. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Roach. Bream. Perch. Rainbow trout. Chub. Common Carp, Ide. Brown Trout. Barbel. Mekong catfish. Jullien's golden carp. Alligator gar. Java barb.
Species caught in 2013: Mangrove Jack. Barramundi. Blubberlip snapper. Baracouda. Malabar grouper. Yellowfin Trevally. Chub. Brown Trout. Perch. Roach. Pike. European Eel. Bleak.
Species caught in 2012: Northern whiting. Moray eel. Barramundi. Snakehead murrel. Silver razorbelly minnow. Deccan Mahseer. Malabar mystus. Deccan rita. Spotted Malabar Grouper. Mangrove Jack. Indian sea catfish. Brown Trout. Chub. Perch. Roach. Rudd.
Species caught in 2011: Indian sea catfish. Sardine. Barramundi. Mangrove Jack. Deccan Mahseer. Record Humpbacked Mahseer. Yellow Fin Trevelly. Giant Trevelly. Chub. Brown Trout. Perch. Pike. Atlantic salmon. Dace. Minnow. Roach. Gudgeon. 
Species caught in 2010: Barramundi. Giant Trevelly. Moray eel. Indian sea catfish. Mangrove Jack. Deccan Mahseer. Humpback Mahseer. Chub. Brown Trout. Perch. Bass. Pike. 
Species caught in 2009: Chub. Perch. Pike. Pacu. Thai Striped Catfish. 
Species caught in 2008: Barramundi. p-i-k-e-y sea bream. Indian sea catfish. Guitarfish. Mangrove Jack. Mahseer. Squid (Not strictly a fish but it took a lure !). Emperor Sweetlip. Black Spot Snapper. Moray eel. Spangled Emperor. Bluecheek silver grunt. Yellow striped emperor. Vanikoro sweeper. Pike. Perch. Brown trout. Chub. Atlantic salmon.


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Posted 15 May 2019 - 12:57 AM

But benefits have risen at a higher rate than those "public sector workers" pay packets throughout the last decade and in many cases, those public servants are administering benefits and services for people who are picking up tens of thousands of pounds more than they are earning themselves.
 
Tell me, how do you think a public servant working full time,  managing 25 staff and genuinely struggling financially (but managing to pay a mortgage), feels when they see a bloke who works 18 hours a week in a stress free minimum wage job, has a non working (and non-English speaking) wife and six kids at home driving around in a brand new Audi SUV and boasting of picking up more than £40k a year in benefits and tax credits on top of his tax free salary, while the taxpayer picks up the tab for the mansion that he lives in?
THERE'S YOUR INCOME INEQUALITY!
 
BTW: This isn't some random question pulled out of the air. That public servant is me.

Now is this 40k the norm Ken not thats its right he gets this much cash now as a public sector worker ken you have had a fantastic 10 years under Tory austerity a massive paycut in real terms now as for tax credits if it wasnt for tax credits wouldnt half the country would be up the creek we have a low wage economy created by this government and universal credit looks like a roaring success 🤥 you do a 40 hour week 9-5 a nice juicy pension to look forward to a hell of a lot have to work very unsociable hours just to make a crust with no pension and probably on zero hour contracts now is that fair you might just think your self lucky ken you have a decent job a hell of a lot dont .

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#15 Ken L

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Posted 15 May 2019 - 05:36 AM

The whole tax credits BS was instituted the Blair's Labour government in 1999.
Having wages for certain groups propped up is what caused the low wage economy and huge income disparities between people doing the same job.
It's an unintended consequence of the idiotic meddling of the usual bunch of socialist do-gooders.
I'm with the far-right on this one, let the big government system burn.

 

As for unsociable hours - how does forced shift working and Saturday working with no additional pay grab you?

 

And as for pensions, ordinarily, I would point to a colleague of mine who worked full time for over 40 years in a low grade civil service job but couldn't afford to retire on a pension that would be less than £10k a year.

I can't do that now though because he's dead. He worked until he was 74 and didn't see a day of retirement.
I suggest that you stop believing what the press tell you about public sector pensions because while the Whitehall mandarins do a very good job of feathering their own nests, the reality for most of the staff that the public might interact with is very, very different.


Edited by Ken L, 15 May 2019 - 06:29 AM.

Species caught in 2019: Pike. Bream. Tench. Chub. Common Carp. European Eel.

Species caught in 2018: Perch. Bream. Rainbow Trout. Brown Trout. Chub. Roach. Carp. European Eel.
Species caught in 2017: Siamese carp. Striped catfish. Rohu. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima.  Black Minnow Shark. Perch. Chub. Brown Trout. Pike. Bream. Roach. Rudd. Bleak. Common Carp.
Species caught in 2016: Siamese carp. Jullien's golden carp. Striped catfish. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Alligator gar. Rohu. Black Minnow Shark. Roach, Bream, Perch, Ballan Wrasse. Rudd. Common Carp. Pike. Zander. Chub. Bleak.
Species caught in 2015: Brown Trout. Roach. Bream. Terrapin. Eel. Barbel. Pike. Chub. 
Species caught in 2014: Striped catfish. Pacu. Giant gourami. Clown knife fish. Rohu. Siamese carp. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Roach. Bream. Perch. Rainbow trout. Chub. Common Carp, Ide. Brown Trout. Barbel. Mekong catfish. Jullien's golden carp. Alligator gar. Java barb.
Species caught in 2013: Mangrove Jack. Barramundi. Blubberlip snapper. Baracouda. Malabar grouper. Yellowfin Trevally. Chub. Brown Trout. Perch. Roach. Pike. European Eel. Bleak.
Species caught in 2012: Northern whiting. Moray eel. Barramundi. Snakehead murrel. Silver razorbelly minnow. Deccan Mahseer. Malabar mystus. Deccan rita. Spotted Malabar Grouper. Mangrove Jack. Indian sea catfish. Brown Trout. Chub. Perch. Roach. Rudd.
Species caught in 2011: Indian sea catfish. Sardine. Barramundi. Mangrove Jack. Deccan Mahseer. Record Humpbacked Mahseer. Yellow Fin Trevelly. Giant Trevelly. Chub. Brown Trout. Perch. Pike. Atlantic salmon. Dace. Minnow. Roach. Gudgeon. 
Species caught in 2010: Barramundi. Giant Trevelly. Moray eel. Indian sea catfish. Mangrove Jack. Deccan Mahseer. Humpback Mahseer. Chub. Brown Trout. Perch. Bass. Pike. 
Species caught in 2009: Chub. Perch. Pike. Pacu. Thai Striped Catfish. 
Species caught in 2008: Barramundi. p-i-k-e-y sea bream. Indian sea catfish. Guitarfish. Mangrove Jack. Mahseer. Squid (Not strictly a fish but it took a lure !). Emperor Sweetlip. Black Spot Snapper. Moray eel. Spangled Emperor. Bluecheek silver grunt. Yellow striped emperor. Vanikoro sweeper. Pike. Perch. Brown trout. Chub. Atlantic salmon.


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Posted 17 May 2019 - 10:29 AM

The whole tax credits BS was instituted the Blair's Labour government in 1999.
Having wages for certain groups propped up is what caused the low wage economy and huge income disparities between people doing the same job.
It's an unintended consequence of the idiotic meddling of the usual bunch of socialist do-gooders.
I'm with the far-right on this one, let the big government system burn.
 
As for unsociable hours - how does forced shift working and Saturday working with no additional pay grab you?
 
And as for pensions, ordinarily, I would point to a colleague of mine who worked full time for over 40 years in a low grade civil service job but couldn't afford to retire on a pension that would be less than £10k a year.
I can't do that now though because he's dead. He worked until he was 74 and didn't see a day of retirement.
I suggest that you stop believing what the press tell you about public sector pensions because while the Whitehall mandarins do a very good job of feathering their own nests, the reality for most of the staff that the public might interact with is very, very different.

Ken when i worked offshore in the Shetlands in the 80s we worked 14 x 15 hour shifts start at 7 am finish at 10 pm now they are long days two on two off with no premium time every hour paid the same premium time didnt count offshore often freezing your balls off not sat in a nice warm office I know all about unsociable hours been there dont that and to be fair still doing it now a few words from the oxfam charity.

https://www-cdn.oxfa...120913-en_0.pdf

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Posted 17 May 2019 - 01:29 PM

Them old choices can backfire but i expect the wages were good .
No good moaning about work (or most of life) you can choose to or not to! most things are not mandatory except death and taxes
I chose to be a gardener so i cant whine about the weather ,i chose to work in a uni so i cant whine about students i chose to do it so its self inflicted

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Posted 20 May 2019 - 11:24 PM

Pint of milk & a loaf costs the same on benefits or billionaire!!


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Posted 21 May 2019 - 07:40 AM

Pint of milk & a loaf costs the same on benefits or billionaire!!


Milk probably but theres bread and bread

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Posted 24 May 2019 - 08:30 AM

Ken as somebody who works for the benefits agency what your thoughts on this .


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