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#1 Del_R

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Posted 08 July 2019 - 07:06 AM

A few years back I used to get up to the Teme in Worcestershire. Caught my first ever barbel and chub there and it was a beautiful river. Thinking about getting up there again, but can't get last summer's photos out of my mind when the heatwave dried up great swathes of the river. How long would it take for a river like that to get back to some kind of natural equilibrium - I would have guessed several years? (Assuming no repeat of the heatwave). Anyone been on the Teme this season yet?

 

https://www.bbc.co.u...cester-44722945

 

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Posted 08 July 2019 - 01:45 PM

Del,

 

Something interesting I noticed at the end of  the URL site you included.

 

""""""Sections of the river's upper reaches are prone to drying out during hot weather and this happens on average about once every three years, the Environment Agency said."""""

 

Should the EA's statement be true (?) I can't imagine this river ever being productive for anglers. I doubt a natural equilibrium would be possible in a three year time frame.  Certainly, there would be an absence of adult fish - just from logic.

Nice post, I'll be looking forward to some local responses. 

 

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Posted 09 July 2019 - 04:44 AM

Thanks for the reply, Phone.

Following on from the above I found a Facebook group for Teme anglers and they said the same - that the upper reaches dry out every year, so maybe the photos above had a hint of the non-story about them really. Their recent photos of the Teme downstream look a lot more healthy and folks are catching a few chub and barbel, so I think I will give it a go one of these weekends.

 

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Posted 09 July 2019 - 09:15 AM

Many,many watercourses dry out in their upper reaches in most summers. Down south, on porous chalk country, they are known as "winterbournes",   What is a serious matter is that the reckless (I repeat "reckless")   extraction from the aquifers by water authorities  severely exacerbates the drying out in both linear extent and in duratiion..      Many of the trout-holding Wealden streams have been effectively shortened by this practice..




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Posted 09 July 2019 - 10:29 PM

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd presume the bigger fish would move much further downstream to find survivable water nearer the sea, (but still freshwater) then return when conditions were back to near normal.

It's the only logical conclusion for me.

 

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Posted 10 July 2019 - 06:43 PM

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd presume the bigger fish would move much further downstream to find survivable water nearer the sea, (but still freshwater) then return when conditions were back to near normal.

It's the only logical conclusion for me.

 

Nature always finds a way!!

 

Doesn't always work like that Martin.    Rivers are not evenly graded in their upper reaches , they have shallows, glides,,pools and deeper pools.   In times of drought,fish retreat to the deepest pool they can find,   That means they are cut off if the shallows above and below dry up.. Such fish may survive until the river flows again - or they may not!


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Posted 11 July 2019 - 07:32 PM

It's only really the upland areas of the Teme that ever dry out and they're not exactly coarse angling venues to begin with. The biggest problem with the Teme in recent years has been regular major flooding that has impacted habitat, recruitment and it seems a lot of the adult fish have simply been pushed downstream.
I fished it Tuesday at Stamford Bridge and a chap was packing up as we arrived who had caught nothing, dad had nothing and I managed one chub of about 3lb and an eel.

The forum on the BAA website has also been full of reports of missing barbell so it doesn't sound like our results are unusual.

Access to the river was also a problem but that might just be the BAA.


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Posted 11 July 2019 - 08:07 PM

It's only really the upland areas of the Teme that ever dry out and they're not exactly coarse angling venues to begin with. The biggest problem with the Teme in recent years has been regular major flooding that has impacted habitat, recruitment and it seems a lot of the adult fish have simply been pushed downstream.
I fished it Tuesday at Stamford Bridge and a chap was packing up as we arrived who had caught nothing, dad had nothing and I managed one chub of about 3lb and an eel.

The forum on the BAA website has also been full of reports of missing barbell so it doesn't sound like our results are unusual.

Access to the river was also a problem but that might just be the BAA.

Might be better in the long run then to electro net the river, put them in somewhere else & give it up as a viable fishery??

 

The river would still have its attractions for non Anglers - nice walks, picnics etc


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Posted 11 July 2019 - 08:34 PM

Might be better in the long run then to electro net the river, put them in somewhere else & give it up as a viable fishery??

 

The river would still have its attractions for non Anglers - nice walks, picnics etc

 

Nah, it is what it is. It turns up some nice chub and trout and I would have done better if my knees were still up to mobile lure fishing on a river with banks like that.


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Species caught in 2017: Siamese carp. Striped catfish. Rohu. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima.  Black Minnow Shark. Perch. Chub. Brown Trout. Pike. Bream. Roach. Rudd. Bleak. Common Carp.
Species caught in 2016: Siamese carp. Jullien's golden carp. Striped catfish. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Alligator gar. Rohu. Black Minnow Shark. Roach, Bream, Perch, Ballan Wrasse. Rudd. Common Carp. Pike. Zander. Chub. Bleak.
Species caught in 2015: Brown Trout. Roach. Bream. Terrapin. Eel. Barbel. Pike. Chub. 
Species caught in 2014: Striped catfish. Pacu. Giant gourami. Clown knife fish. Rohu. Siamese carp. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Roach. Bream. Perch. Rainbow trout. Chub. Common Carp, Ide. Brown Trout. Barbel. Mekong catfish. Jullien's golden carp. Alligator gar. Java barb.
Species caught in 2013: Mangrove Jack. Barramundi. Blubberlip snapper. Baracouda. Malabar grouper. Yellowfin Trevally. Chub. Brown Trout. Perch. Roach. Pike. European Eel. Bleak.
Species caught in 2012: Northern whiting. Moray eel. Barramundi. Snakehead murrel. Silver razorbelly minnow. Deccan Mahseer. Malabar mystus. Deccan rita. Spotted Malabar Grouper. Mangrove Jack. Indian sea catfish. Brown Trout. Chub. Perch. Roach. Rudd.
Species caught in 2011: Indian sea catfish. Sardine. Barramundi. Mangrove Jack. Deccan Mahseer. Record Humpbacked Mahseer. Yellow Fin Trevelly. Giant Trevelly. Chub. Brown Trout. Perch. Pike. Atlantic salmon. Dace. Minnow. Roach. Gudgeon. 
Species caught in 2010: Barramundi. Giant Trevelly. Moray eel. Indian sea catfish. Mangrove Jack. Deccan Mahseer. Humpback Mahseer. Chub. Brown Trout. Perch. Bass. Pike. 
Species caught in 2009: Chub. Perch. Pike. Pacu. Thai Striped Catfish. 
Species caught in 2008: Barramundi. p-i-k-e-y sea bream. Indian sea catfish. Guitarfish. Mangrove Jack. Mahseer. Squid (Not strictly a fish but it took a lure !). Emperor Sweetlip. Black Spot Snapper. Moray eel. Spangled Emperor. Bluecheek silver grunt. Yellow striped emperor. Vanikoro sweeper. Pike. Perch. Brown trout. Chub. Atlantic salmon.


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Posted 11 July 2019 - 08:50 PM

Nah, it is what it is. It turns up some nice chub and trout and I would have done better if my knees were still up to mobile lure fishing on a river with banks like that.

Yeah but the nice chub & trout would still turn up - but at a better venue (hopefully not too far away) And with better banks for your poor knees. wheelchair.gif

 

My COPD, heart condition (stent) & still smoking is also what it is!!


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