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It still occurs in random places Phone, the most recent was, I believe a spat between Canada and Spain in the late 1990’s

Canada seized a Spanish trawler it accused of using illegal nets. The EU ordered it’s Navy to escort Spanish Trawlers using ‘lethal force’ if necessary. The Canadians displayed the illegal net and the whole thing went quiet.

I never knew what Warships the EU intended dispatching to the area but you can bet they would be named HMS something!

The Iceland cod wars were concluded simply because Iceland threatened to leave NATO and thus put an end to the Greenland/Iceland/U.K. sonar warning system.

"My imaginary friend doesn't like your imaginary friend is no basis for armed conflict...."

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On 10/7/2020 at 4:01 PM, Phone said:

COD,

Between the late 1940’s and 1976 I recall two island nations all but declare war despite the fact one nation had NO army. Fortunately, there were only a few casualties.

These were the COD WARS between Iceland and the UK. You may not remember ICELAND won the major conflicts. But You surely remember the was UK riding mostly on the backs of labour and Harold WILSON –

Viva those net cutters

Phone

No cod wars Interesting one that Phone was it a cod squabble then ? but I suppose ramming and cutting warps while under load which is highly dangerous means nothing . But we were taking Hugh amounts fish from inside the 12 mile line off Iceland without any Official agreements in place so I suppose they did have very good case to carry on and Iceland eventually won the argument.

And with brexit and fishing well it’s quite complicated .

So Eu boats cannot fish inside of our 12 mile limit that’s unless they have grandfather rights which were signed long before the EU ever existed .Do the Brexiteers tell you that of course they don’t they just keep  deceiving the British public not telling them the facts sorry the truth .

And it’s not just  fishing the British public have been deceived on with brexit that’s all unfolding as we speak . 
The London Fisheries Convention was signed in 1964, well before the UK joined the EU, and allows vessels from France, Netherlands, Belgium, Ireland and Germany to fish in the six to 12-mile zone.in UK waters .

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COD,

On 2 July 2017 the government of the United Kingdom announced its intention to withdraw from the 1964 London Fisheries Convention (LFC). Plans to reshape the UK’s fisheries policy, including a 2017 Fisheries Bill, had already featured in the Queen’s speech on 21 June 2017. The Common Fisheries Policy (CFP) of the European Union has been unpopular with the UK’s fishing industry – and has been widely perceived as one where the UK may have more to gain than to lose by leaving the EU. copy & paste.

Is it true when EU law and the CFP “ceases to apply” on withdrawal, as per the terms of Article 50, the UK will automatically regain all fishing waters and resources between our 12 and 200 mile limits.

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1 hour ago, Phone said:

COD,

On 2 July 2017 the government of the United Kingdom announced its intention to withdraw from the 1964 London Fisheries Convention (LFC). Plans to reshape the UK’s fisheries policy, including a 2017 Fisheries Bill, had already featured in the Queen’s speech on 21 June 2017. The Common Fisheries Policy (CFP) of the European Union has been unpopular with the UK’s fishing industry – and has been widely perceived as one where the UK may have more to gain than to lose by leaving the EU. copy & paste.

Is it true when EU law and the CFP “ceases to apply” on withdrawal, as per the terms of Article 50, the UK will automatically regain all fishing waters and resources between our 12 and 200 mile limits.

phone

 

And let’s forget phone no U.K. fishing vessels will not  be able fish inside Of any other country waters which we do at this present time .

You didn’t   put the full article on show phone it’s goes on a lot longer .

The Fisheries Convention or the London Fisheries Convention is an international agreement signed in London in relation to fishing rights across the coastal waters of Western Europe, in particular the fishing rights in the North Sea, in the Skagerrak, in the Kattegat and on the European Atlantic coast. It gives right of full access to the fishing grounds between 6 and 12 nautical miles of the national coastline to the fishing industry of those contracting parties that had already been fishing there in the period 1953–1962..

Now are we out of that agreement unless I am mistaken we are not and also as  reported a 3 year transmission period with fishing . No mention of that from the Brexiteers not a boo. .Now is that a sellout or not like the rest of it with brexit all ifs and buts as shown  in the previous vodeo where we are actually worse off with our trade than better with brexit .

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18 minutes ago, Phone said:

COD,

What about the 200 mile no access with BREXIT

phone

200 mile limit with brexit ? the Brexiteers don’t know what day it is with brexit never mind the 200 mile limit. Good job you live thousands of miles away phone away from this pantomime great entertainment though just how stupid brexit is looking as it’s realities are now coming to fruit .

Anyway what about the Belgian fishermen ?

Belgian ambassador throws King Charles II treaty into EU fishing debate

British king granted 50 Flemish fishermen ‘eternal rights’ to English fishing waters in 1666

And that was long long time before Tory PM  Ted Heath gave  away all the fishing concessions.

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Contracts stop when the signee dies or we would still own half of france

Believe NOTHING anyones says or writes unless you witness it yourself and even then your eyes can deceive you

None of this "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" crap it just means i have at least two enemies!

 

There is only one opinion i listen to ,its mine and its ALWAYS right even when its wrong

 

Its far easier to curse the darkness than light one candle

 

Mathew 4:19

Grangers law : anything i say will  turn out the opposite or not happen at all!

Life insurance? you wont enjoy a penny!

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So you would prefer them not to ?

Believe NOTHING anyones says or writes unless you witness it yourself and even then your eyes can deceive you

None of this "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" crap it just means i have at least two enemies!

 

There is only one opinion i listen to ,its mine and its ALWAYS right even when its wrong

 

Its far easier to curse the darkness than light one candle

 

Mathew 4:19

Grangers law : anything i say will  turn out the opposite or not happen at all!

Life insurance? you wont enjoy a penny!

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson

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