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10 hours ago, Phone said:

Cory,

First, the event is certainly a good deterrent for the dead chap. Your logic is misplaced. The death penalty would be far more effective if it was conducted in the town square.  Everyone asks how to justify. No one asks whether to justify. Having the death penalty and using it properly are two entirely different matters. I believe death to be a once in a lifetime experience.  Whether to justify the death of the criminal is easy for me, whatever serves the greatest good for the greatest number, it is the moral choice.

Should you extrapolate your facts based on the data you provided instead of 300 million guns we would have 3 billion guns in private ownership.  YES people with guns kill people.

As for my religious brethren, "Vengeance is mine sayth the Lord" I choose not to judge for I am far from perfect

Phone

Obvioulsy not, otherwise he would not have commited the offense.

 

There is nothing wrong with my "logic".

10 hours ago, Phone said:

All,

Morality is what society believes, they believe guilty people deserve to be punished in proportion to the atrocity of their crime and suffer in a way appropriate for the crime. Seems pretty easy to me. The benefits far outweigh the cost to the innocent.

Phone

 

 

If morality is what society believes then that would imply that once upon a time owning another human being as property and burning people at the stake lest they be witches would have been moral things to do. Neither have been moral at any time.

I do not give a horses **** for you or anyone elses "beliefs" unless you prove that your have facts, not emotions to back them up.


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Cory,

I didn't define "moral" I simply cut and paste.  "Morals" are accepted behavioUr in society. You ding bat, whatever serves the greatest good for the greatest number is moral.  Of coarse slavery was moral, conformance is the key. It is accepted among scholars "morality is a matter of locality". Your values are a matter of opinion when in fact maintenance  of order in the social group is the key to right and wrong.

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41 minutes ago, corydoras said:

Obvioulsy not, otherwise he would not have commited the offense.

 

There is nothing wrong with my "logic".

If morality is what society believes then that would imply that once upon a time owning another human being as property and burning people at the stake lest they be witches would have been moral things to do. Neither have been moral at any time.

I do not give a horses **** for you or anyone elses "beliefs" unless you prove that your have facts, not emotions to back them up.

Your looking through your eyes and in the 21st century ,if witch burning and slavery were not seen as moral back then crowds wouldnt  have formed at a witch burning and land owners wouldnt have had slaves as it would have been immoral then!

Even hangings drew crowds until the very last public one it was perfectly moral in its time

Even now things are moral in countries that are not here ,we tend to get in big trouble forcing our morals down other peoples throats!

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Believe NOTHING anyones says or writes unless you witness it yourself and even then your eyes can deceive you

 

There is only one opinion i listen to ,its mine and its ALWAYS right even when its wrong

 

Its far easier to curse the darkness than light one candle

 

Mathew 4:19

Grangers law : anything i say will  turn out the opposite or not happen at all!

 

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson

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8 minutes ago, Phone said:

Cory,

I didn't define "moral" I simply cut and paste.  "Morals" are accepted behavioUr in society. You ding bat, whatever serves the greatest good for the greatest number is moral.  Of coarse slavery was moral, conformance is the key. It is accepted among scholars "morality is a matter of locality". Your values are a matter of opinion when in fact maintenance  of order in the social group is the key to right and wrong.

Phone

Morals are forced by one section on another ,i find the thought of eating dogs perfectly feasible but other peoples morals made this illegal for some reason

As to slavery its alive and well morals go out the window when you buy cheap tat or get your car washed for a fiver

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Believe NOTHING anyones says or writes unless you witness it yourself and even then your eyes can deceive you

 

There is only one opinion i listen to ,its mine and its ALWAYS right even when its wrong

 

Its far easier to curse the darkness than light one candle

 

Mathew 4:19

Grangers law : anything i say will  turn out the opposite or not happen at all!

 

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson

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Chesters1,

In the US horse meat is immoral.  We do offer cat tacos however

Phone

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Surprising seeing a film about wild mustangs being shot from a helicopter i am surprised they are not a staple!

Nothing with horse meat so long as its cheap and has horse meat on the lable


Believe NOTHING anyones says or writes unless you witness it yourself and even then your eyes can deceive you

 

There is only one opinion i listen to ,its mine and its ALWAYS right even when its wrong

 

Its far easier to curse the darkness than light one candle

 

Mathew 4:19

Grangers law : anything i say will  turn out the opposite or not happen at all!

 

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson

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5 minutes ago, Phone said:

Chesters1,

In the US horse meat is immoral.  We do offer cat tacos however

Phone

Its not immoral its just illegal to buy (strange the "land of the free "has so many laws banning you from doing things)nothing to stop you eating your horse ,they go to canada or mexico for their last holiday where they are appreciated ,or possibly in the past to us for a certain lasagne (wink)

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Believe NOTHING anyones says or writes unless you witness it yourself and even then your eyes can deceive you

 

There is only one opinion i listen to ,its mine and its ALWAYS right even when its wrong

 

Its far easier to curse the darkness than light one candle

 

Mathew 4:19

Grangers law : anything i say will  turn out the opposite or not happen at all!

 

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson

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On 2/8/2020 at 9:44 AM, Cameraman said:

Your arguement Sir is a non starter and pulled out as a poor excuse for abolishment whenever this is brought up.

The thing is it couldn't happen unless there is intelligence and proof and the family member has either a history or interest in murder, terrorism or associated buffoonery. It's why we have a justice system, trial by jurors, defence by barrister and a whole lot of hoops to jump through. Innocent until proven guilty. If a member of my family was involved in any form of terrorism a whole file would be available for defence and prosecution and someone somewhere would be able to provide indisputable evidence of guilt. Its not execution  by association or circumstantial evidence. The authorities don't just randomly arrest and execute. The British justice system might not be perfect, but it's the best we have. I have to believe in it and uphold it, defend it. Defend my country.

Btw, I'm a retired ex Soldier, I spent the best part of 30 years man and boy in The Parachute Regiment. I believe in my country, I trust my country and I have defended it, several times. I also believe in free speech, and the right of what I consider absolute buffoons to have their say.

Nothing wrong with the death penalty, I firmly believe in that too.

Pedos, rapists and terrorists straight to the top if the list. - and that Sir is my right to free speech.

Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing. 

If it was up to clots like you Lindy Chamberlain would be dead fror a crime she did not commit. You sir might rate as a kunt of the highest order if you just had a tad more warmth and depth.

That sir is MY freedom of speech as an ex Merchant Seaman.

Tell me something, it's not a requirement to be as ignorant as pig **** to get to be a Pongo, so how did you get in?

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23 hours ago, corydoras said:

Kunt of the highest order

Tell me something, it's not a requirement to be as ignorant as pig **** to get to be a Pongo, so how did you get in?

When you result to personal insults as a keyboard warrior, you have lost.

Simple as.

Nothing more to say, nothing to add.

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Let's keep the personal insults where they belong, which it NOT on here :rtfm:

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Species caught in 2017 Common Ash, Hawthorn, Hazel, Scots Pine, White Willow.

Species caught in 2016: Alder, Blackthorn, Common Ash, Crab Apple, Left Earlobe, Pedunculate Oak, Rock Whitebeam, Scots Pine, Smooth-leaved Elm, Swan, Wayfaring tree.

Species caught in 2015: Ash, Bird Cherry, Black-Headed Gull, Common Hazel, Common Whitebeam, Elder, Field Maple, Gorse, Puma, Sessile Oak, White Willow.

Species caught in 2014: Big Angry Man's Ear, Blackthorn, Common Ash, Common Whitebeam, Downy Birch, European Beech, European Holly, Hawthorn, Hazel, Scots Pine, Wych Elm.
Species caught in 2013: Beech, Elder, Hawthorn, Oak, Right Earlobe, Scots Pine.

Species caught in 2012: Ash, Aspen, Beech, Big Nasty Stinging Nettle, Birch, Copper Beech, Grey Willow, Holly, Hazel, Oak, Wasp Nest (that was a really bad day), White Poplar.
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