Brexit. The gift that keeps on giving.

[corydoras]

2 minutes ago, Ken L said:

shift of US based manufacturing to China

That is market forces Ken Capitalism. Corporations getting things made where it costs less. Where is your phone from?

[Ken L]

11 minutes ago, corydoras said:

That is market forces Ken Capitalism. Corporations getting things made where it costs less. Where is your phone from?

"Capitalism" is a straw-man. The term was dreamt up by 19th century socialists.

Liberal free market economics is not anarchy. Pretty much everyone agrees that there has to be government and that it's role includes protectionist measures at times, just as pretty much everyone agrees that the role of government should be limited and not bloated.

Edited January 11, 2021 by Ken L

[corydoras]

4 minutes ago, Ken L said:

"Capitalism" is a straw-man. The term was dreamt up by 19th century socialists.

Liberal free market economics is not anarchy. Pretty much everyone agrees that there has to be government and that it's role includes protectionist measures at times, just as pretty much everyone agrees that the role of government should be limited and not bloated.

More of your conspiracy theory fairy tales. Where is your phone made Ken?

[Huge_Vitae]

1 hour ago, Phone said:

KEN,

AND tell me again why those things would not have been possible with a president whos character demonstrated a little empathy, courage, decency and candors instead of being an embarrassment to civil politics and getting himself kicked out with 9 days left

Phone

8, did I read correctly that an objection today stopped the 25th??? Procedure going through, starts again tomorrow, how many times will that be adjourned?

Not supporting the guy, but, this impeachment business, is there time for that, like I said not supporting him but everyone has a right to due process, how many witnesses does Trump need to call for that to time out?

Second point, should your govt. be concentrating all its efforts on a bitter spat, perhaps they have other topics to get their teeth into, Hitler was not removed from History by dying, Trump will not be eradicated from history by being impeached with a few days to go.

How do you think Biden will proceed with the CPTPP deal started by Obama and cancelled by Trump?

I think it is Democratic policy to restart negotiations ASAP. Is Uncle Joe going to carry out the policy of his party?

Interesting times ahead, a lot of filibuster but who decides policy?

Equally the Paris Accord, I think Biden has already said he will immediately rejoin, that’s a very blanket statement, not that I think there is that intention, but should he not have added a caveat to the statement to cover the slim possibility that some might wish the USA to roll over.

Edited January 11, 2021 by Huge_Vitae

[Ken L]

48 minutes ago, corydoras said:

More of your conspiracy theory fairy tales. Where is your phone made Ken?

I love how your supposed logic breaks down, and you are resorting to ad hominems and now non sequiturs.

[corydoras]

1 minute ago, Ken L said:

I love how your supposed logic breaks down, and you are resorting to ad hominems and now non sequiturs.

Where is the ad hominem? Where is the non sequitur?

[Ken L]

19 minutes ago, corydoras said:

Where is the ad hominem? Where is the non sequitur?

I believe you called me a ****, and what has where my phone is made got to do with anything?

[Phone]

HUGE.

YES, STRAIGHT UP IMPEACHMENT.

The senate will establish number and time for witnesses

There is a chance he will become a martyr but even a greater chance of revolution. The "gun guys" are torqued - JUST ME I object to the following:

 By law, former presidents are entitled to a pension, staff and office expenses, medical care or health insurance, and Secret Service protection. These entitlements only apply if the former president was not removed from office by impeachment or other Congressional actions 2 - 3 million a year open ended.

As for BIDEN - tough question. He is NOT in good health. I'll be happy with 4 - 6 months. I am ashamed to say - I know very little of Harris. It will be considerably easier since the Dems control  both houses. LOOK for tax increases - especially corporate and the very rich - social programs out the arce - additional freebies for the unemployed

PARIS is in - -  they like our money

Phone

more stressful than interesting - 25 trillion in the hole and we can look for about a trillion a year added

 

 

[chesters1]

Not as exciting as my day ,went detecting and as i climbed fence no sign of resident horse ! The owners in his 70's its his grandaughters horse .Went over to gates and both gates were gone (most probably brexit) anyway i thought i would check with owner and he knows nothing about gates then it dawns the hoses gone!

Gates will have been pinched by pikies they seem to concentrate on an area taking any gates and man hole covers then disapear for a while ,the gates were pinched a few years ago and made safe but now disk cutters are battery powered nothing is safe!

Opposite field is a large wood ,luckily i saw hoof marks on the verge so i knew it had gone that way .i wandered round and before i knew it it was almost to dark to see so i phoned my son who brought torches .i went back up and met him then carried on searching

The wood has a bridal path in it and theres a track to the left and right right down by the river ,we chose the left and found nothing so at 1 am went up the other track that ended at a gate where an old lady keeps her horse ,the bugger was there looking over the gate at the other horse in its stable ,anyway we led the horse all the way back up the bridal path and parked it in the old guys garage ,got home at 2.30 . No tarriffs were involved, no frenchmen seen and only a small bit of diesel used 

Update ,horse in field with wooden gate on so unless it leans on it it should remain there ,metal detector picked up and old bloke says (out of bedroom window)gates have already been found . turns out when these were made (the opening is wide enough for a horse transporter so has two gates end to end and a single one from the parking area into the field) he had the fabricator stamp the bottom with the post code in small type .He phoned the cops they checked round the usual suspects and there they were hes no waiting to have them repaired and returned .

I expect another couple of days they would have been in bits in a pile of scrap ,the cops disinterested and a crime number given as most things are today . Obviously the rural crime section is on its toes .The same thing happened when the gates to the house i worked in were pinched they were found in a few hours!

Edited January 12, 2021 by chesters1

[Ken L]

18 hours ago, Huge_Vitae said:

8, did I read correctly that an objection today stopped the 25th??? Procedure going through, starts again tomorrow, how many times will that be adjourned?

Not supporting the guy, but, this impeachment business, is there time for that, like I said not supporting him but everyone has a right to due process, how many witnesses does Trump need to call for that to time out?

Second point, should your govt. be concentrating all its efforts on a bitter spat, perhaps they have other topics to get their teeth into, Hitler was not removed from History by dying, Trump will not be eradicated from history by being impeached with a few days to go.

How do you think Biden will proceed with the CPTPP deal started by Obama and cancelled by Trump?

I think it is Democratic policy to restart negotiations ASAP. Is Uncle Joe going to carry out the policy of his party?

Interesting times ahead, a lot of filibuster but who decides policy?

Equally the Paris Accord, I think Biden has already said he will immediately rejoin, that’s a very blanket statement, not that I think there is that intention, but should he not have added a caveat to the statement to cover the slim possibility that some might wish the USA to roll over.

I actually know people who wanted Biden to win "for the sake of the environment".

Never mind that manufacturing will shift from the US to China where they are poisoning land, sea and air - out of sight, out of mind.