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'Trawling
Trawling is a fishing technique where a large, deep net is pulled behind a boat. Often this net drags on the ocean floor, stirring up sediment and altering seafloor habitat. The effects of trawling can actually be seen on satellite images taken from space'
Aye right!
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And looks the same ?
(Committee members link above has pictures, as does story of earlier conviction.
Do a google search of 'Paul Joy Kaya' and again plenty of news stories with picture of the same person (or dopple-ganger)).
Actually I've met Paul quite a few times, he puts in a lot of effort for the fishermen of Hastings, high-lighting the difficulties of working with existing quotas.
So turn him in then Leon, maybe get somebody you would prefer on the committee instead. Otherwise why mention that he's an appointee.
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Maybe a few of us could use this defence
http://www.ktoo.org/2013/01/17/state-questions-religious-protection-for-fishermen/
'But he adds the issue ultimately may have to be decided by a higher court,' - it may indeed, if their god is watching lol
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Hmmm!
He's an MMO appointee to Sussex IFCA
see:
http://www.sussex-ifca.gov.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=117&Itemid=202
http://www.marinemanagement.org.uk/about/ifcas/documents/ifca_terms.pdf
Yet he has been convicted in the past!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/5128754.stm
Or someone with the same name is, you never know.
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From that I take it that commercial fishermen don't necessarily know what they are catching?
...isn't that part of the job?
I think you'll find that the shark trust need commercial fishermen involved with the scheme in order to qualify for the nice lump of EFF money they will get for the project instead lol.
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No cuts to commercial quotas, less fish left for anglers, sounds about right. The main gripe was about cutting the days at sea actually, along with the quota. If days at sea are reduced the temptation is to shoot the nets as close to the harbour as possible to minimise steaming time and maximise fishing time. Would you rather the trawlers shoot their nets close to the shore and fish regardless of whether spawning fish are there or have enough days at sea allowed that they can steam off to the further afield grounds?
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News release from the Scottish Conservatives
Typical bloody Tories, forgetting to mention that the Scottish Government were part of the delegation.
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As of 20.00 hrs tonight responsibility for the area currently handled by Clyde MRCC will transfer to Belfast MRCC.
The station at Clyde will not completely shut until late December but staff will not do any SAR work, Belfast will handle it all.
It is advisable that anyone who needs to contact them in an emergency situation gives a clear, concise and accurate discription of where they are because the watchkeepers at Belfast will not hold the detailed local knowledge of the area that those at Clyde do.
Those who won't be in that area could offer a prayer for those who might because they'll need all the help they can get.
http://forargyll.com/2012/12/campaigners-s...et-to-continue/
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I’m inclined to agree with you ‘Seafoods’ it seems the few have decided for the silent majority but let’s be fair, being in the EU where other member states have been every bit a part of the want/need for recognition that has got us to this point.
Fishing politics is like a cancer fuelled by the supposed lack of fish and the need to treat it with various forms of conservation and regulation. Sea Angling is now in that mire and that means those that care will now have a job on their hands, the time for division and playing the blame game is over we should be looking for unity now to protect our right to recreationally fish the sea from beach or boat without masses of regulation.
My biggest fear is that some will drive for more and bigger fish for sea anglers and that could well bring us into a conflict with an already under pressure commercial sector, time will tell.
Mmmmmmmm
'A member of the audience asked the speakers about the level of recognition of recreational fishing in the new CFP.
MEP Rodust answered that amendments regarding recreational fishing have been made in the basic regulation. She added that it is important that recreational fishing is included in the reformed CFP but not treated at the same level as professional fishing.
Mr. Lamplmair added that the EU in general does not devise conservation measures for recreational fisheries, with some exceptions like for example in the case of Bluefin tuna in the Mediterranean, as it is national or local levels that set the rules. He pointed to an issue of proportionality, but added that where substantial amounts of catch are taken by recreational fishers, they need to be taken into account by fisheries managers'.
http://ebcd.org/pdf/en/249-REPORT_Th...of_the_CFP.pdf
As someone once said 'welcome to my world'
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http://cfp-reformwatch.eu/wp-content/uploa...12_919956EN.pdf
General Objectives
1. The Common Fisheries Policy shall
ensure that fishing and aquaculture
activities are environmentally sustainable
in the long-term and are managed in a
way that is consistent with the objectives
of achieving economic, social and
employment benefits and contributing to
the availability of food supplies and
recreational fishing opportunities, as well
as allowing for processing industries and
land -based activities directly linked to
fishing activities, while taking into
account the interests of both consumers
and producers.
Does that make you happy Leon? 'Recognition' for RSA's at long last, after years of campaigning for it? Be ready for a fair few folk saying 'I told you so' when the brown stuff hits the fan, probably all the ones who have being saying 'be careful what you wish for' for ages.
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As of 20.00 hrs tonight responsibility for the area currently handled by Clyde MRCC will transfer to Belfast MRCC.
The station at Clyde will not completely shut until late December but staff will not do any SAR work, Belfast will handle it all.
It is advisable that anyone who needs to contact them in an emergency situation gives a clear, concise and accurate discription of where they are because the watchkeepers at Belfast will not hold the detailed local knowledge of the area that those at Clyde do.
Those who won't be in that area could offer a prayer for those who might because they'll need all the help they can get.
http://www.clactonandfrintongazette.co.uk/...given_lifeline/
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Hello seafoods
So much for local knowledge, over the years I've listened on the VHF to a few cock up's by Thames coast guard, it happens.
I haven't heard that Thames coast guard is to be closed , last I heard was that Yarmouth was to go and Thames would cover south and Humber to the north of Yarmouth.
You may have seen some of the press today about the latest TSC report into this madness, one of which has been posted on this thread. Thought I would bung this one up for you as it confirms Walton will close. http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/updated_mps_say...fused_1_1738014
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North sea e u cod take: Scotland 25%
rest of the u k 12%
Regarding lawn mowing, it's difficult to determin if foul weather or scalloping activity for example, is the reason for shorelines to be carpeted in cuttings, as happens periodiclly.
ahh, this might help, i also have found some juicy e u rsa illegal captures where nets are used as opposed to rod and line, for balance, baltic sea cod fishing is interesting reading.
: In nearly all fisheries that have a restricted quota, where controls are not tight and punishment
does not work as a deterrent, exceeding the allocation seems common. With clear
information scarce (for obvious reasons), illegal cod landings are likely to be common in
all Baltic countries. In 2001, for instance, the Danish fish processing company Espersen
was caught using cod fished illegally in the Baltic Sea. The company was fined Û 134,000.
Espersen was caught again red handed in early 2006, this time receiving illegal cod from
the Barents Sea. In the latter case, Espersen claimed to have been ignorant of the true
origin of the cod, and it was not charged.24
In 2006, ICES “Baltic Fisheries Assessments Working Group” listed 3 different, countryspecific
factors for converting official landings into actual landings, ranging from 1 (no
illegal catches), to 1.5 and 2 (illegal catches of half or the same volume as legal catches).
ICES did not indicate which factors were to be used for which country, but clearly indicated
through its very detailed proceedings that illegal, unreported catches are not restricted to
just one country, but are widespread across the region.25
According to many stakeholders in the fisheries sector, the worst offenders are to be found
in Poland. The huge fleet has reacted badly to its reduced legally allocated quota, responding
with illegal fishing
Sorry I didn't answer earlier Barry, missed it, - Uk coastline - Scotland 67%, all the rest 33% - does that answer your question?
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Ah but using these greenies and there research is just the best bait to get you lads biting init?
Truth is it’s rather like Global warming loads of data to support both sides of the debate but what can’t be denied I bet is Al Gore had no idea what a money spinner he started with that famous movie ‘An Inconvenient Truth’
Show us some data to support the side of the argument you favour then Bob, I posted links to support my view - aint seen any links from your side of the argument, smoke and mirrors?
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Hello Bob
Most only know what they have been told (Brain washed) about the Grand Banks cod fishery, few talk about the fact that cod have returned to the Grand Banks to about 70 to 80 % of previous levels, fishermen say even more. these mature fish appeared more or less over night baffling scientist as to where they came from. Few talk about the fact that the Grand Banks cod fishery has declined (I refuse to use the word collapsed) several times in it's history, generally every 50 or 60 years, as for the North Sea there never has been a stable cod fishery that's why the UK fleet fished Iceland and Norway waters for cod.
Stock fluctuations are not a problem for fishermen, they change and adapt as generally while one stock goes down another increases it's the way it's always been, another little known fact is that the weight of biodiversity stays the same. It only becomes a problem when management gets involved and don't forget Bob the management industry is huge and much more lucrative than the fishing industry.
so is writing books like The End of the Line and Silent Seas.
Absolutely spot on, and even WWF agree with you. http://blog.wwf.ca/blog/2012/07/02/the-lon...o-cod-recovery/
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Most know about Newfoundland and the Grand Banks Cod collapse but few talk about the Baltic Cod collapse, not to mention how close it came to a similar Cod collapse in the North Sea. Then like now there was not a problem according to the fishermen who worked those grounds, now is that the truth or is that just propaganda? Source “Silent Seas by Isabella Lovin”
Depends who you want to believe really, stocks rising over the last few years, much stricter controls on illegal landings - last two years actual landings below ICES recommendations - doesn't seem much like your author's version. http://www.sustainablefish.org/fisheries-i...fish/baltic-cod
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I thought their angle was more about the cumulative environmental damage, rather than apportioning individual blame.
In their eyes, depending on their agenda - winter gales do no damage to the environment in shallow water? The environment changes on a regular basis, if this trawling is so unsustainable how come there is anything left - areas of seabed have been trawled for the best part of 100 years, seems reasonably sustainable to me. If they are destroying the seabed as some of these eco-zealots allege why do the fish keep going back there, some trawlers work the same grounds frequently, if they are destroying it there would be no point in going back to the same place.
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It's all a bit scary, Barry. The fisheries are going to pot while we squabble over who get's what. The real issue - that there won't be owt left to catch without better management - seems to be overlooked.
Load of ****s, after a scroll down through it I can say that, god knows what somebody who really knows their stuff would make of it. Ask them how these large vessels from other countries manage to sneak into the 'traditional fishing grounds' of communities without a) - being seen by someone from the community or
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but why is it that mike penning has'nt been taken to task by governament?. he obviously lied to them as well as to coastguard reps and the public.
He's been shifted out of the DfT now, some other idiot has to deal with it - strange how his original boss Hammond got promoted, his next boss Greening got demoted and he got shifted sideways, MP's from other parties seem to accept it without kicking up merry hell, good job not everybody is like them.
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Penning did indeed say there would be no stations closed until the new system is up running and fully tested. Not only did I get that in response to a written question but he also told the all-party select transport committee the same thing. Is this what we now see termed as a ‘New Approach’ which in truth is nothing short of a policy change? What would be good is to know why either the government or the MCA have allowed the changes to take place, one thing is for sure and that is it has nothing to your being Jocks that don’t vote Tory.
For once I agree with you Bob, it's to do with them being lying untrustworthy swine. Forth had to close before the planned closure date because so many staff left it was impossible to continue to man it properly. All stations are short staffed because people want no part of what they see as dangerous madness - they don't want to be responsible for people dying, which will happen. A watch manager with 23 years experience left Liverpool MRCC about 10 days ago to go to a job with more in the way of prospects, all staff are looking for jobs, morale is shockingly low.
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Not to mention; Tarbert Loch Fyne; Tarbert, Isle of Harris; or was that Tarbert Loch Lomond. (Loch Lomond has it's own non-RNLI Rescue Vessel)
Once they get their new mapping system up and running it will be fine - it must be true Mike Penning said it. He also said no stations would close until the new MOC (call centre) is up and running, and robustly tested - lying prick, Forth is closed, Clyde is closing and the call centre won't open for two years, never mind, only Jocks, they don't vote Tory anyway.
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Hello seafoods
So much for local knowledge, over the years I've listened on the VHF to a few cock up's by Thames coast guard, it happens.
I haven't heard that Thames coast guard is to be closed , last I heard was that Yarmouth was to go and Thames would cover south and Humber to the north of Yarmouth.
Call me Dave and that prick Penning won't be advertising it but Thames is closing, Dover will be taking over your area, good job it's a wee quiet station eh? Yarmouth is going right enough, could be worse though - you could have two thirds of the UK coastline and only one mainland coastguard station.
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Hello seafoods
I think this would only happen if the places of the same name were in close proximity of each other as calls are received and relayed by shore based aerials, for example my area is covered by Thames coast guard based at Walton-on the Naze if I am working 20 miles to the north and call Thames coast guard they will reply that I am loud and clear on their Bawdsy aerial if I'm closer to walton they receive the call on their aerial at Walton on the Naze and 20 miles to the south from their aerial at Bradwell after that you start to come into aerials that relay to Dover coast guard so instantly any call is narrowed down to which ever aerial covers that area.
Didn't work when the scalloper Aquila capsized mate, and that was Clyde mixing up one of their Kilmory's with Stornoway's one. Clyde was the fourth busiest station in the UK, both Belfast and Stornoway have been used to being much quieter, it will be a shock to the system for them come springtime when the volume of work previously handled by Clyde hits them. The watchkeepers will still have to maintain their current level of local knowledge for their own area while trying to learn a new area as well as handling a much increased workload - it's a big ask. Your point about aerials has some validity on a relatively straight coastline but nowhere near as much on coastline the shape of the west coast of Scotland, especially adding Northern Ireland into it. The aerials previously controlled by Clyde (each MRCC had six) are scattered all over the place on small islands etc. I am a volunteer coastguard and when in our Nissan Patrol at Burrowhead we can (could before Clyde closed) pick up and speak to MRCC's at Liverpool, Belfast and Clyde. Thames is one of the ones due to close also and it will be a similar worry for people like yourself who use the sea in that area when it happens too, unfortunately, staff at the one taking over won't have the same detailed local knowledge as the ones at Thames.
RNLI survey
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Seems a bit odd that the RNLI survey appears not to apply to Scotland, no offers of meetings etc in Scotland. A suspicious person would think that may be because the AT don't exist in Scotland - that cannot be right, there have been many tragedies involving anglers in Scotland too, if this is all about safety why is it not UK wide?