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All,
Let me correct BUDGIES post. They ALL resent being shown how to fish.
Is Sweden, on average - expensive - moderate - inexpensive as a destination compared to Europe? Visa required?
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Like myself then
When I'm fishing abroad with a guide I want him to be more of a fishing-buddy then an instructor.I think Sweden is moderately expensive. Not near as expensive as Norway, but not near as cheap as Bulgaria for example. If your from another EU country no visa is required.
What do you all think about icefishing, would that be something british anglers could be interested in? It is often a very effective method for the predators and usually results in alot of action.
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Hi again!
I have been thinking alot about my idea the past mounths and I now have some more thoughts to share.
As some have pointed out, the fishing for carp-species may not be appealing enought to get the british anglers to travel to Sweden. I have therefore directed my thought to the predators.
My area got alots of lakes and streams and provide waters that can result in many small ones and waters that hold much less fish but the really big ones. Of courese there is also alot of waters that you could place between those extremes. This applies to all species (pike, zander, perch, burbot).
What kind of fishing do you like to experiance? Would you like to go for the big ones and take the risk of catching a small number of fish? Or would you rather go on a trip where catch is guaranteed? Or maby a combination?
For example, a few weeks a go me and a friend tested some pikefishing in a lake that we have never fished before. The lake is quite big (6 km long), is located in the woods near a small village and is not exposed to any significant fishingpressure. During less than a day we had about 15-20 takes on our livebaits and the pikes cought had a average weight around 10lbs. We did not manage to catch any of the lakes biggest ones and the biggest one for the day weighed around 15 lbs. According to a friend who have fished the lake before this was a mediocre result and we should have cought some bigger pike (he has cought two 22lbs+ pikes during one day in this lake).
Could this kind of lake be interesting or would you rather prefer going to a lake where you may get less takes but you are more likely to catch the fish of your dreams?
The same goes for perch and zander, last time I went out zanderfishing(a week ago) we fished a big lake that has great amount of zander but a rather low average weight (some big ones though, many 15lbs+ are cought every year). During half a day fishing with vertical jigging we cought 16 zanders (1-4lbs), 4 pikes(2-4lbs) and 3 perch(1-2lbs). No big specimens but great fun on a light gear.
Would this kind of fishing be interesting? Or would you rather target less, but bigger ones with trolling?
Keep in mind that aside from fishing, the surroundings are stunning and the number of other fishermen very low.
I have many more thoughts, but I save them for later.
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Hi all,
It seems to me there are different types of anglers.. which one are you, or closest to of the options below
1) The angler who just likes to be beside the water in natural beauty of the surroundings next to the trees and wildlife regardless of what or if they are going to catch
2) The angler who is searching for the specimen fish, but also searches for a water that gives them that natural surrounding feel as well
3) The angler who searches out the waters that will more than likely give them the big prize they are after, even if that means fishing a featureless water
4) Other (please specify)
I am sure there are plenty of other types of anglers, but just a thought....
I am between option 1 and option 2 (depending on my mood!)...
Cheers,
Stu....
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Have a think about Holland. There are growing numbers in the Waal so I hear; and if you can get a flight to Birmingham you would be very handy for th eSevern/Teme/Wye. Lots of them there
Ok, thanks, gonna search for info about Holland to!
Yes, Birmingham would be nice, my friend whom I plan to take the trip with have spent a summer working at a fishery near Birmingham, so if we went there accomondation might be free. I'm going to take a look and see if there might be any flights to Birmingham that fit our budget
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When are you thinking of making this trip Patric?
Winter barbel fishing in England can be very slow and needs warm mild weather to be any good. If you come when the weather is cold you might not catch any barbel.
And don't forget England has a close season for coarse fishing on rivers, March 15th - June 15th.
I think we would go during the summer. But we talked about going in May (which I now, thanks to you, understand would be a bad idea)
Thanks for the info!
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By far your best prospect for a quick Barbel fix will probably be the River Severn, unfortunately it's nowhere near London. It's not an area I know at all but someone on here will and hopefully they will be able to supply information about accommodation etc..
You will need a rod licence, this entitles you to use a fishing rod (two actually) and costs £3.75p for one day or £10.00 for an eight day licence.
The rod licence does not include the cost of the fishing, this has to be paid to whoever owns the fishing rights and varies from one place to another but is typically from about £5.00 to £10.00 per day - weekly tickets are also available in some places at more favourable rates.
We still drive on the correct side of the road, you used to, but decided to change in 1967.
Thanks for the helpful information!
I think I give up the "right or wrong side of the road"-discussion. Englishmen don't seem to like change and I don't think what I write here are going to change anyones mind
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Iv never used any livebait but would like to give it a go. The problem I have is that I read an article saying that the bigger pike don't tend to go for livebait!
If anyone can shed some light on this it will b much appreciated
My opinon is that livebait is outstanding, I'm not a pike-specialist but I have a couple of friends that are and they catch many pikes over 20 pounds every year on livebait. A guy I know have cought one of the biggest swedish pikes ever (almost 44 pounds) and that also was on livebait. As a mather of facts most swedish big pikes (30 pound+) are cought on livebait. Of course it could be different in England, but Swedish crocodiles love livebait!
//Patric
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Hi!
As my name might reaveal, I'm from Sweden.
Me and a friend of mine have discussed going to eighter England or Germany to catch our first barbels. The problem with Germany, according to my understanding, is that germans don't speak very good english and even though both me and my friend have studied german it's not enough to communicate well.
On the other hand, if we went to Germany we could take our own car the whole way which would be cheaper and enable us to bring all of our gear.
But if we went to England, there are som quastions that I need help with!
Our idea is to go on a weekend-trip that doesnt cost to much and our primary target is catching barbels, good size would of course be nice but the most importent is just catching barbels
- What river/rivers would ju suggest? (if we went I think we would fly to London so near London would be a plus)
What does the licence cost and how do we obtain it?
Any specific part of the river you would recommend?
Do you know any budget-accomondation you could recommend?
Other tips and recommendations?
One thing about England that scares us is that you drive on the "wrong side" of the road
Rent a car feels a bit dangerous, but necessary // Patric
- What river/rivers would ju suggest? (if we went I think we would fly to London so near London would be a plus)
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Do keep us posted about the plans for your business. I'm certainly interested, but it probably won't be for about 18 months. I assume summer or autumn is the best time to come?
What will your business be? Will you have a minibus and take people round as a group? Or will you just give individuals information about venues etc and leave it to them to hire a car?
Incidently, are maggots available in Sweden, or do people use other baits?
If I get this started you are most certainly welcome!
What time of the year depends on what species you want to target! For species within the carp-family I think April - September would be the best time, ultimate month would be May
If you would like to target predators the colder months would be better. My idea is to have some kind of suitable car and be able to offer transports
Maggot is available in every swedish tackleshop
My friend, who is a match-angler (has participated in many European and World Championships) owns a tackleshop and he offers maggots, pinkies, worms, blood worms, flavoured sweet corn, boilies, pellets etc.
//Patric
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I don't think I would be tempted to travel just for the predator fishing, as I can find Perch, Pike and Zander over here. As Vagabond & Budgie said Burbot would be interesting. However saying that if I was over in Sweden on holiday, then I would certainly consider going out for a day trip with a guide for a session and the size of the fish would not be overly important. Catching a few small Pike and Zander in amazing scenery would be a great day out.
Rather then plan to travel to go fishing, I do it the other way round. I go traveling and then see what fishing opportunities present themselves in the destination. So I am not the sort of person who tends to book the "whole fishing guide package" with accomadation, flights etc and then go and fish for multiple days. When I contact one its to cut out all the hard work of finding venues, licences, baits, travel arrangements to the water and extra equipment.
I was over in Gothenburg for 5 days a few years back and done a quick search to see if there were any fishing guides with boats that could take me out on one of the local lakes, but did not come up with much. This may be an area that might appeal to a wider market, offering a day out for those taking a holiday in Sweden. If your on a short break, it's great to be greeted at your hotel early in the morning and whisked away to a fishing destination with out the hassle of having to sort out the little details yourself.
Good point! I think one of the keys to succeed is to be flexible and offer custom-made services. Offer the perfect solution by discussion between both parts and be prepared for any kind of arrangement, everything from a day trip (hotel pick up/ drop off + fishing) to a whole weekend or week all included package.
The problem with burbot is that it's a species that is active during late autumn and winter while the weather can be quite rough over here. But maby some people find that exotic and interesting to experience
At the moment we are having a litle bit milder weather though.. -5 degrees and the ice on the lakes will soon be more than 50 cm thick. -
Have fished in lakes to the South of Stockholm a few times - the bream, roach, tench & crucians were nice, but the abiding memory was of the fantastic rudd; nothing huge but all immaculate & between 1.5-2 lbs & one a chuck
Stockholm itself I didn't find much cleaner than most other places but once you go even few kms outside, into the country, it's just pristine.
I would emphasise that quality environment as much as the fish. Also that the Summer weather is fairly reliable.
Thanks for posting!
Rudd is very common and often comes in huge numbers, as I usually target carp, tench and bream they can get guite annoying sometimes
I'm glad to hear that you enjoyed your time in Sweden!
//Patric
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Well the roach would appeal to me! Having said that, I don't know if I will be able to arrange a trip, but when I retire in a couple of years it would be a real possibility.
One question I would have is that I know Norway is very expensive - is Sweden the same? What does it cost to stay the night at a 'bed and breakfast' place (small hotel)?
Thank you for sharing you thoughts!
No, Sweden is not as expensive as Norway!
I'm not really sure what normal price for accommodation is, but I think you could find a decent place for maby 200-400 SEK (£ 20-40) per night. If you want to stay at a hotel in the central parts of a town it will cost more. I could only find one exaple, and it is a economic one, it costs 400 SEK per night to rent a cabin on a holiday village a couple of kilometers outside my hometown, it's four beds and that makes it 100SEK (£ 9) per person if you four //Patric
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Predator fishing in the Swedish wilderness? Sign me up!
Get on a plain and I will show you Swedish fishing winterstyle, London-Gothenburg 6 GBP for both ways with ryanair
After a couple of holes with the ice-drill that we use for pikefishing the arms feels like spaghetti The ice is around 40 cm now, but we got rid of most of the snow a week ago // Patric
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Well I remember a friend who moved to Sweden caught a few really big crucian carp! But I don't think you have any thing in sizes we don't have here to really pull the big fish angler.The piking can be good but the 40's ain't climbing up the rod like some writers would have us believe!
Like Dales said I should think fishing for species we don't have here (like Burbot) would create some interest.
I also believe that there are several venues where Roach of a high average size can be caught in numbers (I used to write for a Swedish website that's now gone) That to would be worth travelling for.
The big thing though is fishing good looking venues that are not crowded along with the holiday aspect of being abroad and different culture (but not to different!).
As an ex guide I can tell you that one of the biggest reasons that travelling Brit anglers use a guiding service is simply to get a pointer to venues and all the administration (travel arrangements,accommodation,food,fishing licence,bait etc) done for them.Most resent being shown how to fish.
Interesting points! Thanks for the post!
I agree with you! The size of the fish aint the no.1 reason to travel to Sweden, it's the fact that most of the waters and fish are completely untouched that is! We have so many waters and not so many anglers. I fish around 100 days a year, and I don't see many other anglers on a year. Of course it depends on where you go, but I prefer to find my own lakes and rivers where others don't go. Me and a friend have found several waters that has appeared to be even better than most famous waters for those species. For example, in 2006 we found a small river that resulted in most of the top-10 swedish eels that and the following year.
Fishing for burbot is hardcore, 50cm of ice, 50cm of snow and -10-20 degrees
I have some good spots for them though, so that would be possible to offer! What is high average size for roach? In my opinion our area of Sweden is the best area for big roach. We have many small streaming waters that produce big ones. Sometimes I have even cought fish between 1,5-2 pounds while targeting other fish like eel and chub
Sometimes we even get quite big roach in lakes while fishing for carp on boilies A friend got a 1,75 pound roach on a 15mm boilie. I think what you write about guiding is 100% true!
// Patric
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Thanks for a very informative reply. Fishing Sweden sounds very straightforward. Will certainly put it high on my list of places to visit.
Just contact me and my future business and I will take you on some unforgettable fishing!
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When fishing abroad I tend to want to catch species that I do not have access to at home regardless of size, but I would have thought that the predator angling that Swedan has to offer may well appeal to more UK anglers.
Thanks for the post!
If you went over here for the predators, which species would you want to target? What do you think would be most appealing, great size or quantity?
The predator-fishing in my area is good in both size and quantity. About 100m from my doorstep I have the river "Göta älv" where my pike-enthusiastic friends catch pike around 25 pounds every year
Lakes with good quantity of pike are many. Väners is great for quantity-fishing for perch (0,6 - 1,5 pounds) and some small lakes in the woods holds bigger perch (3,5+ pounds). Zander is possible to catch in very large numbers on vertical jigging in some lakes and big ones also exist -
Hi Patric
Good to hear from you. and welcome to AnglersNet.
Those weights - are they in pounds ? (believable) or kilos ? (in which case a lot of us will be on the next boat)
I have made one trip to Scandinavia, back in 1988, and saw enough good waters and good fishing to make me want to return, but have not yet got round to it.
The sort of information that would be useful concerns the logistics of fishing. ie
Do you need a fishing licence ? 1. For freshwater ? 2. For game fish (salmonids) ? 3. For sea fishing ?
How easy is it to get a licence ? In other countries that varies from filling in a form in the USA (15 minutes) to a whole day's work in Spain (going to fisheries office, then to a bank, then back to the fisheries office, all in town centres with no parking spaces) - and in some countries you even have to pass an examination in their fishing and game laws!
Access to water - how much is privately owned, and how much is open to the public ?
For myself, I would be most interested in fishing for houting (Baltic herring) and burbot, both of which have been extirpated from the UK, and also for whitefish, ide and zander, but most British anglers might prefer the other fish that you list.
In which part of Sweden do you fish yourself ?
Thanks for the answer!
Sorry, the weights are in pounds
I don't think it is the size of the fish that is the most spectacular about our county, it's the nature and the atmosphere You don't need a licenc for fishing the sea and the five biggest lakes (Vänern, Vättern, Mälaren, Hjälmaren and Storsjön). For most other waters you need to buy a licence and it's not very complicated. The licence for a lake or a group of lakes is often sold by the local shops or by persons that live near the lake. The procedure: Name and address --> Money, usually 20-70 sek (£ 2-6) ---> Done
Takes around 5 min.Some waters don't have licence and you then have to talk to the owner (often the same person who owns the land around it). Often it's ok and you can fish for free.
In Sweden we have "the right of common access". Which means that you are free to walk and camp where ever you want, as long as it's not in someones backyard
I mostely fish in the area called "Västra Götaland" on the southern side of Lake Vänern. From Gothenburg up to Karlstad.
Burbot is a common species in Vänern and lakes and rivers that are connected with it. I cought my biggest burbot (9,37 pounds) from the ice in one of the lakes that got close connection with Vänern. Fish over 10 pounds are quite common and fish over 15 pounds have been cought
// Patric
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Hey!
My name's Patric I'm 23 years old and from southern Sweden. I love everything that has to do with getting a fish to get on a hook. I've fished for most freshwater species in all kinds of waters over our whole country. I've also been carping in Bulgaria and Portugal and been to Thailand and felt the incredible power of the amazing species that are represted there.
But it's my hometown and the local waters that I love the most. They are many, natural and almonst no one fish them. I know great lakes and streams for carp, bream, silver bream, roach, ide, tench, chub, pike, perch, zander and more. I know waters that has the big ones and waters that has good quantity. And the nature around here is incredible.
But my purpose with this post was not to brag about how great the waters around here are
I want to know what you know about Sweden and the fishing over here!
Could you consider traveling to Sweden sometime in the future?
What kind of fishing do you think would appeal most british angler? What species? Big ones or many?
How big is big in Britain?
Some examples of weights for some species in my area of Sweden:
Roach max. ~3 common up to ~2 (my biggest 2,2)
Carp max ~40 common up to ~30 (my biggest 34,6)
Bream max ~11 common up to ~9 (my biggest 8,2)
Tench max ~9 common up to ~7 (my biggest 7)
Ide max ~7,5 common up to ~6,5 (my biggest 6,8)
Silver bream max ~2,5 common up to ~2 (my biggest 2)
The reson that I wrote this post is that fishing is my life and I would like to have it as my job. I then tought "who would be interested in the kind of fishing that I know and can offer". Then I wrote here
So what do you think? Could it possibly work? How should I do to reach out? What do YOU think would be a good strategy?
What would you want to experience if you went over here?
I'm really greatful if as many as possible would share their toughts!
(I hope you will have indulgence with misspellings and crazy built sentences
)// Patric Skoog, Sweden
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I don't know what temperatures you have around that time of the year, but over here we fish pelagic down to really low degrees with very good results! We usually fish our baits 3-5 meters (10-15 ft) down over areas that are about 10-30 meters (30-100 ft) deep.
As BUDGIE says, find the pray fish and you can be sure that the big madames are not far away!
When it comes to Phones theory, I'm a bit skeptical. But if the swans are landing, you can count on some big-pike-action!